Undertaking or Must Pass Cyclist moment
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BentMikey
Rider of Seolferwulf
- Location
- South London
classic33 said:
See post #30 I just made. No excuses for the driver, they are completely in the wrong. On the other hand the only thing you can change (and all the rest of us too) in future situations is to ride differently and get around the problem.
If classic kept further to the left I can see them smacking into the lane at the last minute. Like I said I've had similar stunts in bus gates and had I had a camera would be tempted to report it, they can break a bus gate/restriction if they want but the arsing around is too much.
thomas
the tank engine
- Location
- Woking/Norwich
marinyork said:
I guess it depends which evil you prefer
hambones
Well-Known Member
- Location
- Waltham Abbey
My take for what it's worth...
Fair pass on the left with 2 lanes of traffic and slow moving bike on the right. Bike then decides to switch lanes as approaches lights.
I imagine most won't see it that way though...
Fair pass on the left with 2 lanes of traffic and slow moving bike on the right. Bike then decides to switch lanes as approaches lights.
I imagine most won't see it that way though...
thomas
the tank engine
- Location
- Woking/Norwich
hambones said:My take for what it's worth...
Fair pass on the left with 2 lanes of traffic and slow moving bike on the right. Bike then decides to switch lanes as approaches lights.
I imagine most won't see it that way though...
Technically the car was in an area they shouldn't have been in...and undertaking is naughty....but had the OP been a car I'd of probably undertook them on the bike if they were that far over
OP
OP
classic33
Leg End Member
hambones said:My take for what it's worth...
Fair pass on the left with 2 lanes of traffic and slow moving bike on the right. Bike then decides to switch lanes as approaches lights.
I imagine most won't see it that way though...
Single lane that divides at the lights into two lanes. Left hand side of the road taken up by bus stands.
With a bus behind you, as well as the car, at this stage. How many would feel safe pulling/moving left possibly into the path of a bus?
The bus could take one of two routes, pull in at one of the stands or continue on.
BentMikey
Rider of Seolferwulf
- Location
- South London
classic33 said:
In fairness, you could have looked, signalled and negotiated into the left side quite a bit earlier.
TwickenhamCyclist
Guest
1. Seems to be two other cars in that road – are you sure it’s closed to cars?
2. Up until the car undertook you (as you got to the drain cover) I presumed you were heading to the right hand lane – which is probably what the driver thought as they approached the lights.
Sorry, but I’m with the position your self better and make your intentions clearer lot...
2. Up until the car undertook you (as you got to the drain cover) I presumed you were heading to the right hand lane – which is probably what the driver thought as they approached the lights.
Sorry, but I’m with the position your self better and make your intentions clearer lot...
At the beginning and end of your vidiclip, the camera angle swings round a lot. Was the camera on your helmet?
Between the beginning and the end while you were riding in the centre of the road, why didn't the camera angle swing round to the left and right to check for vehicles following?
You were not observant enough.
You were in the centre and 4ft from the curb would have put you out of danger.
Mirror, signal, manouver.
No rearward glance, no signal and you remained in the centre where it is dangerous.
The motorist though you was intent on staying in the middle, so passed the slower moving stream of traffic.
Between the beginning and the end while you were riding in the centre of the road, why didn't the camera angle swing round to the left and right to check for vehicles following?
You were not observant enough.
You were in the centre and 4ft from the curb would have put you out of danger.
Mirror, signal, manouver.
No rearward glance, no signal and you remained in the centre where it is dangerous.
The motorist though you was intent on staying in the middle, so passed the slower moving stream of traffic.
Matthames
Über Member
- Location
- East Sussex
I think the OP should of been over to the left a bit more, the road looks like it was a one-way street so the car undertaking would of been totally legal. It was unclear of what the OP's intentions were up until crossing to go into the left-hand lane at the end. When lane changing like that you need to check your left hand shoulder and give clear signals of your intentions. When ever faced with a situation like that I try to be as predictable as possible.
Sh4rkyBloke
Jaffa Cake monster
- Location
- Manchester, UK
Come on, Lee... don't sit on the fence old chap.User3143 said:
I agree with some about your road positioning and speed probably doing little to help you, and I too thought the lane change/selection was a tad late... but if the car shouldn't have been there in the first place then simply report them and try to learn from the comments here about positioning to try and avoid this in the future.
OP
OP
classic33
Leg End Member
TwickenhamCyclist
After the lights there's a junction, to the right. This allows traffic to legally enter the road in question. Not as the driver of the car did. After that there's a junction to the left. At the point he passed is the fourth junction on that stretch of road.
jimboalee
At the beginning and end of your vidiclip, the camera angle swings round a lot. Was the camera on your helmet?
Yes, its a helmet mounted camera. I'd joined from a side road, just before the lights, hence the left turn by me. Check made for traffic before entering onto the road.
Between the beginning and the end while you were riding in the centre of the road, why didn't the camera angle swing round to the left and right to check for vehicles following?
Single lane traffic as explained. Behind the car there's a bus (prevents me from seeing further back). Same bus could also have have pulled into any of the bus stands on the left, where they have priority. Are you seriously saying that I should have pulled in front of a bus?
4ft from the curb would have put me in front of the bus.
User3143
Its a 24 hour/total ban that applies to private motor vehicles. Meaning buses, taxis & cycles only, clearly signed at the beginning, which the driver chose to ignore.
The two lanes start exactly where marked, not before.
How a person can change lanes if there is only one lane!
After the lights there's a junction, to the right. This allows traffic to legally enter the road in question. Not as the driver of the car did. After that there's a junction to the left. At the point he passed is the fourth junction on that stretch of road.
jimboalee
At the beginning and end of your vidiclip, the camera angle swings round a lot. Was the camera on your helmet?
Yes, its a helmet mounted camera. I'd joined from a side road, just before the lights, hence the left turn by me. Check made for traffic before entering onto the road.
Between the beginning and the end while you were riding in the centre of the road, why didn't the camera angle swing round to the left and right to check for vehicles following?
Single lane traffic as explained. Behind the car there's a bus (prevents me from seeing further back). Same bus could also have have pulled into any of the bus stands on the left, where they have priority. Are you seriously saying that I should have pulled in front of a bus?
4ft from the curb would have put me in front of the bus.
User3143
Its a 24 hour/total ban that applies to private motor vehicles. Meaning buses, taxis & cycles only, clearly signed at the beginning, which the driver chose to ignore.
The two lanes start exactly where marked, not before.
How a person can change lanes if there is only one lane!
