Unnerving and (partly) my fault

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Perhaps before you comment on something it might be a good idea to watch the full video.

I did and saw the cyclist jump a red light. I'm sure that is illegal unless temporary traffic lights mean stopping is voluntary.
 

avsd

Guru
Location
Belfast
I had a serious Road Traffic Accident (RTA) 15 years ago that resulted in me being hopitalised for three months and have to learn to walk again. I was driving not cycling by the way. I did some research in advanced driving techniques etc to avoid repeating this painful experience. The one statistic that stood out was, and forgive me for shouting:

80% OF PEOPLE INVOLVED IN A SERIOUS RTA ACCIDENT HAVE ANOTHER ACCIDENT BECAUSE THEY DO NO ACCEPT THAT THEY MADE MISTAKES AND NEED TO MODIFY THEIR BEHAVIOUR​
Watching your video I do not think your cycling was safe due to the speed you 'filtered', the refusal to give the bus space and the fact you were on the wrong side of the road. Yes the taxi driver is no helpful but please look to your own actions before 'casting the first stone' and starting another poor cyclist/nasty driver thread.
 

gaz

Cycle Camera TV
Location
South Croydon
I did and saw the cyclist jump a red light. I'm sure that is illegal unless temporary traffic lights mean stopping is voluntary.
So then why comment on the coach and it's blind spot? When quite clearly it isn't an issue if you actually look at the traffic ahead.
 
i didn't say the position of the cyclist doesn't matter, i don't see anything wrong with it though.

He is perfectly entitled to be where he is. But his positioning does have a bearing on the incident. He starts his overtake with the road bending away from him slightly reducing his vision round the bend. As he continues the traffic on his left is right on the centre line, leaving him no escape route. He is perfectly entitled to filter on the right, and the taxi driver is a knob. Had it been a larger vehicle HGV or Bus his options would be extremely limited.
 

Cycling Dan

Cycle Crazy
He is perfectly entitled to be where he is. But his positioning does have a bearing on the incident. He starts his overtake with the road bending away from him slightly reducing his vision round the bend. As he continues the traffic on his left is right on the centre line, leaving him no escape route. He is perfectly entitled to filter on the right, and the taxi driver is a knob. Had it been a larger vehicle HGV or Bus his options would be extremely limited.
When hes going round the corner he has barely passed over the centre line with the cars far enough left for him to go back over the line. The point where this stops being possible is after passing the silver car nearly on the white line. Escape was always possible as the cars were not bumper to bumper and if need they could cross over the line and into one of them gaps between the cars.

Looking at the taxi it does seem that he moves right to come into conflict in which case causing a incident which would not have occurred given a normal driver however I have also taken into account the camera and moving round the bend go lead to this interpretation. However looking at 0:19 it looks as though the taxi is heading over or inside the white wording, at 0:09 its looks clear that his position is more right than it was before.
Without a HGV being the prime cause of this incident I cant effectively argue if the situation would be any different but based on the width of the road I lean towards not.

I would argue the Taxi being a nob played the greatest factor to create this situation than the position of the cyclist.
 
So then why comment on the coach and it's blind spot? When quite clearly it isn't an issue if you actually look at the traffic ahead.

I didn't make any comment regarding a coach. You said watch the whole video and I commented on what I saw at the end.
 

mark st1

Plastic Manc
Location
Leafy Berkshire
He is perfectly entitled to be where he is. But his positioning does have a bearing on the incident. He starts his overtake with the road bending away from him slightly reducing his vision round the bend. As he continues the traffic on his left is right on the centre line, leaving him no escape route. He is perfectly entitled to filter on the right, and the taxi driver is a knob. Had it been a larger vehicle HGV or Bus his options would be extremely limited.

I agree with that however as said filtering in this country is legal and as any driver knows you have to expect it when your approaching stationary traffic especially in towns city's etc. The cab driver should have at the very least been in a central road position not hugging the white line (intentionally IMO) any human being with an ounce of decency should have moved to the kerb end of.

I should imagine the traffic was just as bad the other side of the lights so he was peeved someone was "gaining an advantage" by filtering. Me personally i would have given him the coffee shake and referred to him as female genitalia. Not advised obviously but i have no time for people like arrogant cabbies.
 

Cycling Dan

Cycle Crazy
I agree with that however as said filtering in this country is legal and as any driver knows you have to expect it when your approaching stationary traffic especially in towns city's etc. The cab driver should have at the very least been in a central road position not hugging the white line (intentionally IMO) any human being with an ounce of decency should have moved to the kerb end of.

I should imagine the traffic was just as bad the other side of the lights so he was peeved someone was "gaining an advantage" by filtering. Me personally i would have given him the coffee shake and referred to him as female genitalia. Not advised obviously but i have no time for people like arrogant cabbies.
Can we stop saying that! Just because its legal does not mean we should always do it or we have a law given right to do it. It just makes a bad argument.
Just because you can does not always mean you should.
Its misleading and I think it is used as a scapegoatt to justified the position of the cyclist. However with saying that I see nothing wrong with the position of this cyclist as as ready mentioned.
 

mark st1

Plastic Manc
Location
Leafy Berkshire
Im not saying it for fun its the truth. Your taught when learning to drive to expect filtering cyclists motorbikes emergency vehicles etc. The fact it isnt against the law means you have every right to do it. And if you can filter safely you should be able to without having to worry about inconsiderate pricks running you off the road.

Would Cabbie nobber have done the same if it was a copper on a bike or a police motorbike. I doubt it.
 
I was reading some interesting decisions made by judges in respect of accidents while filtering. While in most cases the person filtering won the day, they often had they compensation greatly reduced, as the judge believed that should have anticipated the outcome.
 

Cycling Dan

Cycle Crazy
Im not saying it for fun its the truth. Your taught when learning to drive to expect filtering cyclists motorbikes emergency vehicles etc. The fact it isnt against the law means you have every right to do it. And if you can filter safely you should be able to without having to worry about inconsiderate pricks running you off the road.

Would Cabbie nobber have done the same if it was a copper on a bike or a police motorbike. I doubt it.
You missed what im getting it. The Fact that cyclists can filter does not solely justify that they can filter which is what seemed to be the evidence to support your comment. There is no arguing that cyclists have a right to filter but just because you can does not mean that you can always act apron this right as it may not be suitable and if not create a greater problem. You cant solely justify filtering just because the law says you can.
 

Cycling Dan

Cycle Crazy
I was reading some interesting decisions made by judges in respect of accidents while filtering. While in most cases the person filtering won the day, they often had they compensation greatly reduced, as the judge believed that should have anticipated the outcome.
I cant see that being a factor. How could you guess the taxi was driven by a Sociopath?
 

mark st1

Plastic Manc
Location
Leafy Berkshire
So when is best to filter ?? as your right im really not getting your point. Had the OP been "filtering" past 20 mph moving traffic then yes id say probably not the best idea.
 
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