BentMikey
Rider of Seolferwulf
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It's wrong - the cost of cars and roads is far more than raised by VED and fuel duty.
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Moodyman
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BentMikey said:
According to the 2009 Budget report (tables C6 on page 231 and C11 on page 24) income from petroleum tax, fuel duty and vehicle excise duty was estimated to be £32.8bn for 2008/09. Transport spending was estimated at £13.8bn for the same period. I don't wish to suggest it's as simple as that, but is does lead to the conclusion that motoring taxes are more a means on increasing the general pot than an attempt to recoup cost incurred through the provision of services.
adscrim said:
It depends how you view it. A fair chunk of that pot of cash is the legacy of the fuel escalator which was not particularly meant to raise dosh but to change behaviour. Although Brown chickened out, and might have had a few freezes and minor reductions no government is going to actively undo it, Brown showed this himself. Similarly if Brown's changes to VED start raising a lot more revenue in the long term this wasn't particularly the intention, he really did mean it to change behaviours when he originally introduced it, it was just that to get this (relatively) radical vision across he had to do it in stages.
HJ
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Lizban
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Hmmm - all a bit one sided - for all the damage and harm that cars/roads do - we can't ignore the benefit that they bring as well.
MacB
Lover of things that come in 3's
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Lizban said:
But do they bring a benefit or have we created an artificial environment in which use of a car is a requirement and therefore a benefit? They give a perception of freedom of choice but those choices tie you rigorously to a dependence on cars.
I've been surprised by how little not using a car has impacted me. but I'm still a coward, I've not sold it, it's there as backup just in case.
BentMikey
Rider of Seolferwulf
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- South London
Lizban said:
I don't think anyone is or should be doing that - most people on here own cars and many love driving. OTOH it would be entirely unfair to ignore the real cost of that enjoyment and benefit.
Lizban
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MacB said:
Come come clearly roads and motorise transport have lead to great advances and benefits, but a cost as well.
I just feel that we need to ensure there is balence in the debate - it's not as simple as cars = evil bikes = good
It's a case of how can we reduce the harm / damage that cars do one way is is by promoting cycling.
Lizban
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BentMikey said:
On the whole people are balenced - but the quoting of stats. that detial the costs without stats. that show the benefit is not, in my view, balenced.
BentMikey
Rider of Seolferwulf
- Location
- South London
If you'd like to start a topic on the benefits of cars, by all means carry on. This one is about the costs.
Lizban
New Member
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BentMikey said:
Come come BM - surely this thread is big enough for both sides of a debate
BentMikey
Rider of Seolferwulf
- Location
- South London
Do you mean both sides of the debate on vehicle costs? Or do you mean you're too chicken to post a topic on the benefits of cars?