V.E.D.

[hackbike 666]

Oh, I'm quite aware of most of my own failings, thank you!

Most.

 

[2Loose]

And today I have learned that I should put all future Electric Cafe responses in the most technical language I can, as misunderstanding is purely the readers fault, google is after all there to be used.

DK whatsit common indeed. So common it gets all of 283 google hits.

 

[KentMikey]

Oh, I'm quite aware of most of my own failings, thank you!

There is no doubt.The Ego Has Landed.

 

[al78]

Hmmm - all a bit one sided - for all the damage and harm that cars/roads do - we can't ignore the benefit that they bring as well.

Problem is, the benefits are mostly to the individual, whereas the costs are endured by society.

 

[BentMikey]

I'm sorry Rhythm Thief, I had a bad day on Wednesday and I shouldn't have taken it out on you.

 

[snorri]

This was shaping up to be an interesting thread before the hijackers moved in

 

[snorri]

Googling 'Prof Whitelegg' throws up a lot of information on costs to the car owner and to the nation of the motor vehicle.
e.g.
http://www.rdrf.org/membarea/cnfmyths.PDF

 

[Rhythm Thief]

I'm sorry Rhythm Thief, I had a bad day on Wednesday and I shouldn't have taken it out on you.

Don't worry about it, I was probably a little over the top myself. Here, have a beer.

 

[hackbike 666]

I'm sorry Rhythm Thief, I had a bad day on Wednesday and I shouldn't have taken it out on you.

I can't believe this....I thought you were so perfect I was beginning to think you were not human but actually an android.

 

[HJ]

Most poeple miss the point of the "you don't pay road tax" rant from motons.

It's not that cyclists don't pay "road tax" or "vehicle excise duty" or anything else by another name.

It's because we don't have to pay anything directly to use the roads, that's what winds them up. They have to pay. Cyclists don't pay anything directly.

It doesn't matter why we don't have to pay anything (exempt, zero rated based on emissions, etc).

Cyclists don't have to pay something that motorists do. That's what winds them up.

Nor do motors, we all pay for the roads, that is the point that is missed, drivers are subsidised in real terms, I would rather car tax was raised to reflect the full cost, then the rest of us could get a tax cut.

 

[hackbike 666]

I think motons conveniently forget this point so they can bring it up time and time again.

 

[ufkacbln]

Don't worry about it, I was probably a little over the top myself. Here, have a beer.

I hope you are paying duty on that!

 

[stowie]

If I buy as my next car, say the new Golf Bluemotion, I would pay no VED as the emissions are (incredibly!) below 100g/km. Does this mean that other car drivers would be able to bully me and then justify it because I pay no VED / Road Tax?

It is such a facetious argument about motorists paying for the roads through VED, that it is barely worth a reply. It does show, however, the sense of entitlement that many motorists have and the hurculean effort required to place other road users such as pedestrians or cyclists on an equal footing.

 

[Rhythm Thief]

If I buy as my next car, say the new Golf Bluemotion, I would pay no VED as the emissions are (incredibly!) below 100g/km. Does this mean that other car drivers would be able to bully me and then justify it because I pay no VED / Road Tax?

I sometimes wonder about that. I remember having the standard "cyclists don't pay road tax" row on Safespeed once, with someone who drove a 1960s MGB as his daily transport. He never did tell me why it was OK for him not to pay road tax, but not for me.
Conversely, I sometimes get stick from motorists in my lorry, which has a very expensive tax disc indeed.