Vaping

[AndyRM]

You can also get nicotine from vegetables though, its in potatoes, tomatoes and sweet peppers for a start.
I shocked a nurse when I was in hospital with this factoid, we were talking about stopping smoking and she mentioned that it was quite usual for her to eat a whole punnit of cherry tomatoes "like sweeties". I told her "that's because of the nicotine in them". She'd thought they were better than eating sweets or chewing gum to take her mind off the fags.

 

[Peteaud]

Coming up for 3 years as an ex smoker and i have reservations about the whole e cig thing.

I think that as long as they are used to aid giving up smoking then all well and good, but, i really don,t like the idea of marketing them as a good thing full stop. You are still addicted to the nicotine.

 

[Profpointy]

Coming up for 3 years as an ex smoker and i have reservations about the whole e cig thing.

I think that as long as they are used to aid giving up smoking then all well and good, but, i really don,t like the idea of marketing them as a good thing full stop. You are still addicted to the nicotine.

A workmate is quite happy to continue the addiction, but feels it's somewhat less bad for him, considerably less bad probably.
Whilst it might be comparing natural herb-smoking as opposed to nasty chemicals, it's probably less bad to fair.


Mind you I do like the tale of the chap going to the Doctor's to be told he's smoking too much and masturbating too much.
Came back triumphantly a week later to see how he was getting on. "I'm down to 10 a day, and have given up smoking altogether".

I thank you !

 

[xzenonuk]

nothing wrong with nicotine, it is just a stimulant like caffeine, theres loads of other rubbish in smokes to make them more addictive as well,

someone from the world health organisation went as far as to say that smoking is safer because theres filters on cigarettes lol

 

[vickster]

Kool, not touched a smoke in over 2 years thanks too the vaping, 4 or 5 chemicals instead of 4000 in smokes lol

I get lot of juice from bargain vapers 100 ml hangsen for about a tenner.

Check out the ukvapers forum loads of info on there.

Except the scientists and doctors have not yet established whether those chemicals being taken through the mouth, throat and into lungs are potentially harmful

Remember people didn't say smoking was bad in the beginning, possibly as the industry driving smoking had lots of influence and was economical with the truth. Who's to say the vape industry isn't working in a similar way (the cynic in me thinks that almost certainly the tobacco industry will have an interest somewhere along the line)

 

[vickster]

I am sure there'll be animal testing going on in an academic institution somewhere

The tobacco industry are now sponsoring research into stop smoking mechanisms. BAT has a specific division

http://www.nicoventures.co.uk/about-us-0

Yep, they established Vype...my cynicism is well founded

 

[andyfraser]

I feel so lucky. When I gave up, after 25 years, I just stopped. Went 4 days feeling the withdrawal effects then that was that. I don't have much will power either but I think I really wanted to give up which helps.

Good luck to everyone who's trying to give up. If I can do it you'll have no problems!

 

[xzenonuk]

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/journal/10.1111/(ISSN)1360-0443/homepage/electronic_cigarettes.htm should be off interest to you guys and lassies

edit: there is so much crap in the media about ecigs, some one is getting backhanders and i bet its big pharma and big baccy plus governments.

take the recent daily mail one : ecigs contain 10 times more carcinogens than smokes yehhhhhh sure they do, don't belive me?

look through that thread yourself i believe a scientist who is highly respected questions the claims directly

http://ukvapers.org/Thread-Trouble-in-Japan

for any one that can't be bothered to read here is the esteemed guys findings after contacting the source. http://www.ecigarette-research.com/web/index.php/2013-04-07-09-50-07/2014/188-frm-jp

vickster we do know what exactly is in ecigs its just the media wont publish they reports, better bann all smoke machines in theatres and nightclubs their forcing vaping on their audience, as their main source is vg.

see where im going with this? i feel ill been at the back end of buses as well in edinburgh can we ban buses?

i mix a lot of my own juice to taste and all the crap even exploding batterys are misreported, of course a lithion ion battery will explode if its cheap crap and put on a 2 amp charger then left unattended over night lol

i have never had a battery explode or even vent charging 18650 li ions at 2 amps but decent ones with a 35 amp discharge rate nor have i had a small ego battery go off, not had a lithium polymer battery go off either and i use them for model planes choppers buggys etc

think thats as far as ill go with this, can't concentrate thx to depression and very drunk, just had to rant lol

since switching to vaping my sense of smell and taste have comeback my breathing is improved etc and i can smell a smoke on the ground half a mile off if the wind blows it towards my bike and i hate the smell

ingredients have been known to be safe since the 60's sure some flavourings will have diacetyl which is bad but most don't and it was only one brand caught with that crap lol

enjoy hot steamy showers? better stop bad for your lungs that vaping, same with a steamy kitchen cooking stuff etc better stop that it's vaping, way too much water vapour on the lungs just sniffing that freshly boiled kettle for the next caffeine fix.

loads of water vapour in the air that must be bad for our lungs better lock up the atmosphere.

 

[Cuchilo]

Ok day four and I feel like sh*t My nose is sore from blowing it , my throat is dry and I feel like I have a chest infection . Every time I cough part of my lung appears
Is this all part of giving up the fags or something else ?
I guess the fact that my boiler still isn't fixed so heating is from an electric fire that will dry anyones throat out doesn't help but .........

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

Ok day four and I feel like sh*t My nose is sore from blowing it , my throat is dry and I feel like I have a chest infection . Every time I cough part of my lung appears
Is this all part of giving up the fags or something else ?
I guess the fact that my boiler still isn't fixed so heating is from an electric fire that will dry anyones throat out doesn't help but .........

Of course, it could just be a chest infection. I wonder, though, whether smoke acts as a bug fumigator and the apparently common bouts of colds, etc, amongst stoppers is a result of losing the smoke shield.

 

[Panter]

Ok day four and I feel like sh*t My nose is sore from blowing it , my throat is dry and I feel like I have a chest infection . Every time I cough part of my lung appears
Is this all part of giving up the fags or something else ?
I guess the fact that my boiler still isn't fixed so heating is from an electric fire that will dry anyones throat out doesn't help but .........

It's probably a bit of both. It does sound as if you have picked something up (there's an awful lot going around at the moment) but your body is also clearing out all the crap that smoking left behind. The PG in e-liquid can dry your mouth out though, so make sure you have water to sip on as you adjust.

 

[vickster]

If anyone is interested, both the European and American respiratory specialist societies have a strong stance on e-cigarettes

http://www.thoracic.org/newsroom/pr...elease-position-statement-on-e-cigarettes.php

http://www.pharmatimes.com/Article/14-09-08/Respiratory_specialists_say_no_to_e-cigarettes.aspx

And the WHO

http://www.pharmatimes.com/Article/...atory_specialists_say_no_to_e-cigarettes.aspx

These are the thought leaders who specialise in lung disease and treat smoking related disease daily

 

[Panter]

If anyone is interested, both the European and American respiratory specialist societies have a strong stance on e-cigarettes

http://www.thoracic.org/newsroom/pr...elease-position-statement-on-e-cigarettes.php

http://www.pharmatimes.com/Article/14-09-08/Respiratory_specialists_say_no_to_e-cigarettes.aspx

And the WHO

http://www.pharmatimes.com/Article/...atory_specialists_say_no_to_e-cigarettes.aspx

These are the thought leaders who specialise in lung disease and treat smoking related disease daily

Not quite. The WHO is the organisation that is funded largely by private companies (80% or so) such as big pharma and stands much to lose if the tobacco giants or pharmaceutical companies profits take a battering. They seem to specialise in self preservation more than peoples interests.
In fact, as posted above, it was WHO that declared real cigarettes to be safer "because they have a filter..."

 

[vickster]

so vaping should not be discouraged in favour of actually quitting smoking and other nicotine use?

 

[Panter]

so vaping should not be discouraged in favour of actually quitting smoking and other nicotine use?

So far, there are NO proven health implications in vaping.
Personally, in my own opinion, not putting anything other than fresh air into your lungs would logically be the best option.
But for those who can't quit, who've tried everything and the only alternative is to smoke (a well proven killer) then no, vaping should absolutely not be discouraged.

And as for NRT, you only have to look at the success rate of that...