VED to become a legitimate road tax?

[jdtate101]

One thing we can all agree on is whatever system they choose, it will end up costing us tax payers more. No government in history has ever implemented a tax change that didn't raise more for it's coffers in the long term!!

 

[Drago]

You guys talk much sense. Stick it on fuel and the amount you pay is directly proportional to the efficiency of your vehicle and your mileage. No mess, no fuss, no dodging, and the Govt will save a fortune as the mechanismn is already in place to collect it, they can save money by binning the unwieldy DVLA collection system, and they'll claw money back from folk who can no longer dodge it.

Set the tariff to start with so the average car covering the average mileage is cash-neutral when switching to the new scheme, and market forces can do the rest.

This alone would probably be a huge vote winner for whichever party want to grow some stones.

 

[T.M.H.N.E.T]

You mean Vehicle Duty, not VED.

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Silly me,thinking terminology was current. The NI sites still refer to "tax" lol

 

[martint235]

You guys talk much sense. Stick it on fuel and the amount you pay is directly proportional to the efficiency of your vehicle and your mileage. No mess, no fuss, no dodging, and the Govt will save a fortune as the mechanismn is already in place to collect it, they can save money by binning the unwieldy DVLA collection system, and they'll claw money back from folk who can no longer dodge it.

Set the tariff to start with so the average car covering the average mileage is cash-neutral when switching to the new scheme, and market forces can do the rest.

This alone would probably be a huge vote winner for whichever party want to grow some stones.

This is the problem though. There is no way the media would report this in a sensible way. The only way it could be done is if a party knew already that it had no chance of re-election. If this Govt did it now it would be the party that punished the long suffering motorist even more. I suppose the Tories could do it and blame it on the LibDems.

 

[Arsen Gere]

Fundamentally the government has a bigger issue in that they are extracting so much from the economy it is unable to grow. So they are choking off recovery. Any additional tax on goods vehicles pushes up prices and inflation I don't think the economy can take this.

 

[Drago]

Indeed. What's the point in increasing the duty on petrol/diseasel with each budget when we've now gone beyond the point the market can bear, and each successive taxation rise sees a corresponding drop in fuel sales and the exchequer ends up receiving less?

Still, I reckon fuel for private cars isn't expensive enough. After all, lazy arsed parents still drive their fat little munchkins to school, the M1 is still home to car drivers doing warp 9 and burning fuel at a prodigious rate. While its still cheap enough for chumps to squander it like that its too cheap.

 

[Mr Haematocrit]

This will increase the cost of transporting goods and food.... so prices of goods everywhere will increase

 

[Deleted member 26715]

This will increase the cost of transporting goods and food.... so prices of goods everywhere will increase

But that is a completely different issue, there are too many needless HGV's on the road, if there was a better transportation system infrastructure using the railways & incredibly the canal's then these could be cut. But there also needs to be a cultural change, we now expect everything on a next-day delivery, why? mainly because we want it & now expect it, if people were prepared to wait 5 days after they order something that again would reduce traffic.

Alan...

 

[classic33]

But surely the easiest way around all of this is to remove the VED/Road Tax from all cars & place it as extra duty on fuel, so if you do 3k a year you pay for 3K's worth of road use, if you do 50K you pay for 50K's worth of road use, the more efficient your car is the less you pay.

I don't understand why they have to make it so difficult.

Alan...

Thats the obviuos way, however its too simple for many. They don't do simple things like that.

 

[400bhp]

But surely the easiest way around all of this is to remove the VED/Road Tax from all cars & place it as extra duty on fuel, so if you do 3k a year you pay for 3K's worth of road use, if you do 50K you pay for 50K's worth of road use, the more efficient your car is the less you pay.

I don't understand why they have to make it so difficult.

Alan...

Actually, it is possibly to do with volatility in tax revenues.

Paying a fixed amount per year is less volatile way of collecting tax revenues for the government than leaving it all down to the number of miles people drive. It makes things a little bit easier to plan tax revenues in advance.

 

[dellzeqq]

Indeed. What's the point in increasing the duty on petrol/diseasel with each budget when we've now gone beyond the point the market can bear, and each successive taxation rise sees a corresponding drop in fuel sales and the exchequer ends up receiving less?

Still, I reckon fuel for private cars isn't expensive enough. After all, lazy arsed parents still drive their fat little munchkins to school, the M1 is still home to car drivers doing warp 9 and burning fuel at a prodigious rate. While its still cheap enough for chumps to squander it like that its too cheap.

you may say that but.......a few years ago the CTC discovered a DfT assessment of traffic schemes and (I kid you not) those which reduced fuel consumption received a negative mark because of the loss to the Exchequer. Really.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

Having binned the discs and lobbed the tax on fuel can we include an element of third party cover funded from fuel duty?

 

[Deleted member 26715]

Having binned the discs and lobbed the tax on fuel can we include an element of third party cover funded from fuel duty?

Careful, don't be going completely sensible on us, this is the British Government you are talking about.

Alan...

 

[Drago]

This will increase the cost of transporting goods and food.... so prices of goods everywhere will increase

I was suggesting the rise should apply to private cars, so these commodities will remain unaffected.

 

[Lanzecki]

Out of curiosity (That thing which killed the cat), who paid for the TollRoads to be constructed in the Republic of Ireland. The very same people who paid for the "motorways" to be built. And that cost wasn't met by the revenue raised on car tax.

Yes, General taxation and europe's redevelopment fund. And that's paid for by everyone in the europe. I don't think I ever thanked you guys for that

Every household in the Republic paid for them. Whether they can use them or not, not whether they do use them.

Pretty much the same in every country.

I'm all for a mass attempt of every cyclist in this country trying to register their vehicles in the same week. The increase to the motorist will be a simple case of you should have been a bit more careful in what you wished/asked for.

From what I understand the admin cost in the UK for a car tax disk is in the region of £50. Assuming that's even vaguely correct would that mean that the minimum charge is £50? Pointless registering bikes. What about horses? Pedestrians?