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nethalus
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Cab said:
Alright I promise I won't do it again.
Was this bus driver bad?
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Alright I promise I won't do it again.
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Married to Night Train
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BentMikey said:
Indeed, and then it seems to me that Nethalus knew she'd made a mistake reacting, and owned up, when she very easily could have not mentioned it at all. Shall we just agree to let this one go now in the name of Christmas spirit?
Christmas spirit? Thank you, I don't mind if I do, mine's a Glenmorangie...
BentMikey said:
What of it?
How many of us here, when encountering a motorist doing something stupid, will respond very politely to the driver in such a way as to make it clear that if the motorist is still going to be in a bad mood he has to be really unreasonable? Its a common tactic. And unless you've gone a lot further, it doesn't excuse the motorist then being outright rude.
Remember also, the cyclist may well have come from an entirely legal, decent road position (round the corner when the bus driver wasn't looking that way, then the bus driver signals and looks again, by which time the cyclist is now on the way around the bus and committed to going past). In such a situation you or I would also feel aggrieved if the bus moved out into our space.
But its also possible that the cyclist was being unreasonable; that does not mean that the correct response from a professional driver, representing her employer, is to be really rude. Nethalus knows this, even she acknowledges that part was a mistake. Actually, I think thats by far the least serious of her three errors.
The really dangerous part was then out-accelerating a vehicle that was half way around her, i.e. the part that came next. But as, in her view (she's said this at least twice now) the cyclist isn't traffic, she wasn't in error pulling out in front of it, and she wasn't in error accelerating out of the cyclist overtaking her. Out of context, just looking at Nethalus attitude to other road users, the belief that pulling out in front of another vehicle is not an error, and her opinion that contiunuing on illegally when you've done that... You don't find that a little unsettling?
BentMikey
Rider of Seolferwulf
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- South London
Cab said:
How ironic is this!!! You made something of it, and now the argument swings the other way you want to unmake the importance you originally attributed to getting shirty. That's just dishonest debating.
And as for your other point about out-accelerating, that's simply bollocks. I can think of plenty situations where having the forethought to continue with a committed move is the best approach for safety for all.
Worst of all in this whole topic, though, is how you've made such an exploding bottom out of yourself.
domd1979
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Nowt wrong with Dawes.
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Tetedelacourse
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Ah, MJ of Hornsey, happy memories.
Where's Eat My Dust gone?
Where's Eat My Dust gone?
BentMikey said:
Errm, no. Go re-read what I've written; I've acknowledged previously that the cyclist may well have been sarcastic, but you are making far too big a deal out of it.
You seem to be forgetting that this topic is not, never has been, about whether that cyclist was in the wrong. We simply can't form a good opinion on that because we don't know why the cyclist started to go past the bus or where, precisely, the cyclist came from. If the cyclist was absolutely polite to the bus driver to the point of mild sarcasm after a the bus had pulled out in front of him (her?), then really, what of it? Its not the same as pulling out in front of another vehicle or illegally out-accelerating a vehicle thats overtaking you.
And even Nethalus, right from the outset, agreed that her rude response was inappropriate when you consider the provocation. What are you getting het up about this for?
I can also think of many situations in which continuing with something you've started is the best move. Out-accelerating a vulnerable road user who has started overtaking you is not one of them.
You do seem to take things awfully personally.
I've put forward an argument which has now been accepted by the person I was putting it to. Would have been accepted far earlier if anyone had actually cared to discuss the points in that argument earlier.
If you don't like that, I suggest you should try to take these discussions rather less personally, maybe get to the points and discuss them more rationally.
