swampyseifer
Well-Known Member
- Location
- Milton Keynes. UK
lets keep this friendly peeps? 
What are you up to tomorrow then?
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brokenflipflop
Veteran
- Location
- Worsley
I've been with my current employer 25 years. In 2007 (assuming I had 40 years service under my belt) my pension would have been £14K. In 2008 we were told to go on line to look at our "adjusted pension figures". My pot had reduced to £11,300 after 40 years service. That was that, no strike, no TV coverage, no sympathy, just a sign of the times. I'm afraid the mess the previous Government and Banks got us into plus the ever increasing burden on pensions with people living longer then we will have to suffer the pain. I can't quite understand why many people in the public sector appear to think that they should be immune to this situation for some reason. I think a lot of them are deluded. As an example I took my daughters best friend on holiday with us. Her mum is a single mother and a teacher. She said she would give us money for her daughter but because she's on a single income so she couldn't as she was only on £36k !! That is more than my salary and my wife's combined. It wasn't a problem because we wanted her daughter to come and we'd budgeted and we wouldn't have accepted a contribution anyway, but it just goes to show how deluded some of these people are.
martint235
Dog on a bike
- Location
- Welling
I think it's the combination. I doubt anyone in the public sector thinks we should be immune but 2 year pay freeze; 2 years of no more than 1%; a 100% rise in pension contribution (that's what mine works out to for 2012-13); a 75% rise in pension contribution in 2013-14; get a lower pension at the end and we have to work until we're 67 to get it. Any 3 from 6 and I'd probably grumble a little bit. All 6 in one hit while the MPs keep their higher pay rise, higher pensions (payable for far less service in many cases don't forget) and carp on about how they can't represent a london constituency AND claim for a second home. That makes me angry.
brokenflipflop
Veteran
- Location
- Worsley
You have my sympathy, it's a tough gig but I think we are always a couple of steps ahead though. We have had the pay freezes and reduced pensions, now anyone who isn't cutting the mustard are being performance managed and bullied out of the company. We have safety, quality and productivity targets that if followed correctly are almost impossible to achieve (not for bonus mind, just to avoid disciplinary action). Many ad hoc activities are expected to be done in our own time e.g. training, e-mails etc or if done in work time adversely effects your own figures. We are being bullied and harassed constantly. If you get injured and are off sick - harassed and bullied again. If you don't like it, there's the door, close it on the way out.
martint235
Dog on a bike
- Location
- Welling
True but then the private sector recovers far quicker. If by some miracle, growth soars in the next two years, we'll still have a pay cap.
What they should do is rather than have a voluntary redundancy scheme where some of your best workers leave, target civil service redundancy at the still significant percentage that are shite. Then they can give those of us that actually know what we're doing a decent rise.
What they should do is rather than have a voluntary redundancy scheme where some of your best workers leave, target civil service redundancy at the still significant percentage that are shite. Then they can give those of us that actually know what we're doing a decent rise.
Night Train
Maker of Things
- Location
- Greater Manchester
Just for the record and not for dispute.
When I was a teacher (was teaching for the last 5 years) I would get paid for 12 hours a week and work about 40+ hours to achieve that. I was paid around £400-£550pm and only during term times. I would have to work the weekends, half terms and holidays for free and undergo frequent and regular unpaid staff development, staff training and skills assessment.
Last year I booked 55 hours of skills training (not including teacher training) despite only requiring 30 hours over 5 years. Failure to carry out any of the training/development sessions would result in the contract not being renewed the following year. The contracts were only September to May despite having to work unpaid in June and July for assessment time for students work.
I am now out of the teaching business due to ill health.
vernon
Harder than Ronnie Pickering
- Location
- Meanwood, Leeds
Staying at home all day and withdrawing my services.
The £150 loss of pay won't be nice though come pay day
If you are a teacher, you must be paid a heck of a lot more than me.
The deductions are apparently salary/365 see here
Monsieur
Senior member
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- Lincolnshire
brokenflipflop
Veteran
- Location
- Worsley
I was basing my opinion on a few teachers who I know very well. Obviously they are full time and have been doing teaching since, well, since they left Uni/teacher training. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it's a tough job and I wouldn't like it judging by what I've seen when my kids were at school. I think I could have done it in Victorian times but all this no competitive sport, don't tell them off, don't hit them, first name terms etc etc wouldn't wash with me and I'd end up killing the cheeky little bleeders.
Mozzy
New Member
- Location
- Taunton Somerset
100% agreement; which is why I could never ever have been a teacher in the 21st Century. Yes wrap em up in cotton wool which really prepares them sooo well for life in the world ... sigh.
brokenflipflop
Veteran
- Location
- Worsley
The strike appears to me like a bit of an own goal. 2 million on strike and the country hasn't exactly ground to a halt. It seems there must be quite a lot of dead wood out there.
JtB
Prepare a way for the Lord
- Location
- North Hampshire
Looks like good old Jezza's gone and put his boot in his mouth again
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15977813
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15977813
swampyseifer
Well-Known Member
- Location
- Milton Keynes. UK
Looks like good old Jezza's gone and put his boot in his mouth again
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15977813
God he's annoying...
brokenflipflop
Veteran
- Location
- Worsley
Clarkson is about as annoying as 2 million public sector workers complaining about their pensions that average £7,800 pa when the private sector average is just £1,300 pa. One extreme opinion encourages an extreme opinion in response. Well said that man !
martint235
Dog on a bike
- Location
- Welling
One of the points that came out of yesterday is that the average for private sector pensions similar to public sector one is slightly higher. The problem appears to be that private sector workers prefer not to put aside for a pension whereas 87% of public sector workers are in their pension scheme. Perhaps we should start blaming the Tory govt that allowed people to opt out of pensions.
