Wheel upgrade

[bpsmith]

Its seems to me that both you and citius are very special.....but still cant quantify or give a reason why aero wheels are useless for 99% of people on race bikes...

I would question the Both element of your comment. I am not totally sure that they aren't one and the same. Whatever @Yellow Saddle says @Citius follows...albeit without adding much to argument.

I think it's known as Option C:

1. @Yellow Saddle says something and backs it up with data.
2. Someone else disagrees, and questions the data, not always having the same knowledge to give alternative data.
3. @Citius backs up @Yellow Saddle and says you're a fool if you don't instantly agree, but fails to add anything further in terms of data.
4. Argument continues until the person at point 2 gets bored.

 

[bpsmith]

In all seriousness @jowwy, I have read this thread again twice and can't see Anything with data attached to why Aero wheels are useless for 99% of road bike riders. The weight thing has been answered well by @Yellow Saddle, I agree, but nothing but opinion on the Aero thing.

A very brief Google found this which is interesting:

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2010/04/biggest-bang-for-your-buck-in-time-trial-equipment/

 

[Citius]

Two people with the same opinion doesn't make them the same person. Also, there you go again with your gigantic misrepresentations. I have never said that anyone is a 'fool' for not agreeing. You really do need some lessons in English comprehension.

 

[bpsmith]

Two people with the same opinion doesn't make them the same person. Also, there you go again with your gigantic misrepresentations. I have never said that anyone is a 'fool' for not agreeing. You really do need some lessons in English comprehension.

Still not adding anything whatsoever to the topic...

 

[annirak]

In all seriousness @jowwy, I have read this thread again twice and can't see Anything with data attached to why Aero wheels are useless for 99% of road bike riders. The weight thing has been answered well by @Yellow Saddle, I agree, but nothing but opinion on the Aero thing.

A very brief Google found this which is interesting:

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2010/04/biggest-bang-for-your-buck-in-time-trial-equipment/

Oh, fun. Numbers to back up my intuitive assumption that Tri-bars are the way to go if you want to go faster.

 

[bpsmith]

Oh, fun. Numbers to back up my intuitive assumption that Tri-bars are the way to go if you want to go faster.

True indeed. I was not trying to prove that wheels were, I was honestly asking if they made a difference. That link proves that I am impartial and genuinely interested on where I can gain some speed.

@Citius, don't bite any further. My Option C was blatantly having a joke, hence the post that followed starting as it did. Tongue in cheek is all it was.

 

[Citius]

It's been said before, but worth repeating: "train to knock off the minutes, spend to knock off the seconds"

 

[Justinslow]

Just out of interest who are the 1% who would get a benefit? Do I qualify?

 

[Yellow Saddle]

Just out of interest who are the 1% who would get a benefit? Do I qualify?

Naaah, you have to complain, bitch and call the manager first.

 

[h0lly1991]

Power to weight helps massively over aero and carbon.
If you are overweight shifting it would get you more time than adding carbon or aero to a standard race bike.
#stayoffthechocolatebars

 

[Cyclist33]

Power to weight helps massively over aero and carbon.
If you are overweight shifting it would get you more time than adding carbon or aero to a standard race bike.
#stayoffthechocolatebars

Which is kind of obvious but it won't stop mamils from shelling out on the latest parts and/or bikes because they can. Mistakenly they think it makes them look cool but just highlights how ridiculous a gold-plated toad in a veruca sock looks.

 

[annirak]

Which is kind of obvious but it won't stop mamils from shelling out on the latest parts and/or bikes because they can. Mistakenly they think it makes them look cool but just highlights how ridiculous a gold-plated toad in a veruca sock looks.

The last time I did a sportive, I spotted a guy on a road bike with fancy hubs, low-spoke count wheels, etc. I passed him easily on my stock, cheap bike.

 

[Cyclist33]

I get passed more often than I pass, but it isn't index linked to the bikes. My favourite pass was on my Defy 3 passing someone on their Defy 1 from the same year. I think I was on upgraded wheels (which we have established makes no appreciable difference) but in any case it was still nice to be passing the £1000 model on my £680 bike. That year's Defy also had a handy "Defy" decal on the seat stays facing backwards, so he knew for sure I was in the same family!

 

[Citius]

I rode a local sportive several years ago (probably the last one I did ride) and there was a guy on an old steel tourer, with canvas panniers, trainers, baggy shorts and rolled down rugby socks dishing out pain to pretty much anyone who could stay with him.

 

[bpsmith]

Totally agree that the rider makes a huge difference compared to the bike, but the same rider on a better bike will certainly reap the benefits!