Where have all the anti-vaxxers gone?

[Milzy]

I’ve had a common cold with a terrible sore throat which has knocked me for six. Three days later still not right. I haven’t been able to sleep properly with the pain. I’d happily have boosters to stop that kind of thing. I won’t be having a third Pfizer c19 vaccination though.

 

[winjim]

@winjim - do you know Ivermectin has NOT got beneficial therapeutic effects against COVID-19?
Not dog food - please keep up!
Ivermectin is a cheap antiparasitic drug widely used for nearly 50 years in animals and humans. It is a treatment used for adults suffering from bad Scabies and people with intestinal strongyloidiasis and onchocerciasis, two conditions caused by parasitic worms, so in human medicine form in UK it's approved by NICE, on prescription.
Some studies (reputation uncertain) have reported benefits eg: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33278625/
Others have been widely discredited. No trials have results which suggest adverse effect.
The BBC reported this: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57570377
I am not recommending consumption of animal level assurance medicine: people can consume more or less what they like: some people smoke: and that's been proven to be bad for you: uncertainly worse than consuming canine ivermectin tablets.
But this not 'anti-vaxx' (see thread title): it's an earnest search for medicine when we still have none, certainly outside hospital.
However groups with an anti-vaccination agenda seem also to suggest ivermectin is sufficient as a prophylactic, and the messaging often comes mixed in with conspiracy theories. Any support for 'anti-vaccination' is a bad thing.
You'll be poo-pooing the idea that it's a good idea to keep Vitamin D levels up next! UK levels of Vitamin D (derivative) in UK are particularly poor in those communities which seem to suffer the worst effects of COVID-19. No causative effect has been shown.

Yeah but it's funnier to say they're eating dog food.

 

[HMS_Dave]

Through all the fluff and guff it is still a choice. What is also a choice is whether those business owners and privately owned public events etc want to have non-vaccinated people frequent their property and gatherings. Freedom of choice works both ways. You can't be pro-choice then not at the same time...

 

[Rusty Nails]

@winjim - do you know Ivermectin has NOT got beneficial therapeutic effects against COVID-19?
Not dog food - please keep up!
Ivermectin is a cheap antiparasitic drug widely used for nearly 50 years in animals and humans. It is a treatment used for adults suffering from bad Scabies and people with intestinal strongyloidiasis and onchocerciasis, two conditions caused by parasitic worms, so in human medicine form in UK it's approved by NICE, on prescription.
Some studies (reputation uncertain) have reported benefits eg: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33278625/
Others have been widely discredited. No trials have results which suggest adverse effect.
The BBC reported this: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57570377
I am not recommending consumption of animal level assurance medicine: people can consume more or less what they like: some people smoke: and that's been proven to be bad for you: uncertainly worse than consuming canine ivermectin tablets.
But this not 'anti-vaxx' (see thread title): it's an earnest search for medicine when we still have none, certainly outside hospital.
However groups with an anti-vaccination agenda seem also to suggest ivermectin is sufficient as a prophylactic, and the messaging often comes mixed in with conspiracy theories. Any support for 'anti-vaccination' is a bad thing.
You'll be poo-pooing the idea that it's a good idea to keep Vitamin D levels up next! UK levels of Vitamin D (derivative) in UK are particularly poor in those communities which seem to suffer the worst effects of COVID-19. No causative effect has been shown.

I've used Ivermectin cream to treat a patch of rosacea and it seems to have helped a lot.

The only downside is I can't pass a lamp-post without cocking my leg for a pee.

 

[KnittyNorah]

Re Ivermectin

One of the most effective drug campaigns of all time was (and still is) the campaign against onchocerciasis, or River Blindness, caused by a parasitic worm transmitted by the bite of a river-breeding black fly. As recently as 1981, it was discovered, through clinical trials in Senegal, that ivermectin was stunningly effective against River Blindness - a disease that had blinded millions in sub-Saharan Africa (and a few countries elsewhere) and devastated many formerly reasonably-prosperous communities.
A simple ivermectin tablet every year for several years stops the damage caused by these worms in their tracks. The act of Merck Sharpe and Dohme in pledging to provide this (low cost but still expensive when used by the million) drug, free of charge to organisations and countries who need it to prevent River Blindness was, I believe, without precedent at that time. I never used to mind paying what often seemed like a high price for a horse wormer when I thought about what at least some of the profits were subsidising ...
Its two main 'discoverers' - an American of Irish heritage and a Japanese biologist, who was a keen golfer (an essential part of the story of ivermectin!) - received the Nobel prize.
THIS is a good pdf of the story of its discovery; I was working in the Middle East when I first heard about it as a treatment for River Blindness and we had patients from Yemen, one of the few non-sub-Saharan countries which has issues with River Blindness.

 

[Johnno260]

Re Ivermectin

One of the most effective drug campaigns of all time was (and still is) the campaign against onchocerciasis, or River Blindness, caused by a parasitic worm transmitted by the bite of a river-breeding black fly. As recently as 1981, it was discovered, through clinical trials in Senegal, that ivermectin was stunningly effective against River Blindness - a disease that had blinded millions in sub-Saharan Africa (and a few countries elsewhere) and devastated many formerly reasonably-prosperous communities.
A simple ivermectin tablet every year for several years stops the damage caused by these worms in their tracks. The act of Merck Sharpe and Dohme in pledging to provide this (low cost but still expensive when used by the million) drug, free of charge to organisations and countries who need it to prevent River Blindness was, I believe, without precedent at that time. I never used to mind paying what often seemed like a high price for a horse wormer when I thought about what at least some of the profits were subsidising ...
Its two main 'discoverers' - an American of Irish heritage and a Japanese biologist, who was a keen golfer (an essential part of the story of ivermectin!) - received the Nobel prize.
THIS is a good pdf of the story of its discovery; I was working in the Middle East when I first heard about it as a treatment for River Blindness and we had patients from Yemen, one of the few non-sub-Saharan countries which has issues with River Blindness.

that can’t be true big pharma being nice and working for free!!!

remember they’re trying to kill us all! haha.

sarcasm mode off.

It’s Friday night and the crazies are out this is from a mutual friend.

“they want 80% of population dead by 2030 to reach a sustainable level, its going to be interesting to see long term effects of the drugs you are all taking and I guess somebody was going to part take in the live trials, thank f%$# it isnt me”

When I called out his depopulation bull.

“its government policy ffs. Its in public domain, not hidden. In plain sight, all the more soppy you dont read this stuff”

Yes these crazies walk among us haha

 

[KnittyNorah]

they want 80% of population dead by 2030 to reach a sustainable level, its going to be interesting to see long term effects of the drugs you are all taking

Where DO they make it up? Is there a Fairy Story Factory somewhere in the lands of rainbow dust and unicorns which specialises in its production? Or is it a subset of the Fantasy Fiction genre, and found in 'alternative' bookshops?

We're already seeing the long-term effects of the drugs which they've taken! Chronic nonsensicality and terminal gullibility!

 

[Edwardoka]

It is clear that there are two viruses doing the rounds, one which affects the respiratory system and another that affects the ability to think rationally. The volume of people who have completely lost touch with reality appears to be growing exponentially.

 

[Johnno260]

Where DO they make it up? Is there a Fairy Story Factory somewhere in the lands of rainbow dust and unicorns which specialises in its production? Or is it a subset of the Fantasy Fiction genre, and found in 'alternative' bookshops?

We're already seeing the long-term effects of the drugs which they've taken! Chronic nonsensicality and terminal gullibility!

It’s a comment he made on a mutual friends post, I called him out and he is spamming like crazy it’s 100% Friday night I think he mistook the antifreeze for the kool aid as this guys certifiable.

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

It is quite clear that the governments all want to kill off huge numbers of their population

Why wouldn't they???


Unless, of course, these are the people who pay tax and keep the government going
I not exactly sure how the government is planning to keep the country running if the tax payers all start dying
which - at least for a time - is actually a massive charge on the government - because they have to deal with the hospitals needing extra funding
and - it seems - most the the staff at the hospitals were the first to get the vaccine - so will be the first to die from it

sooooo
why would 'they' want the vaccine to kill us all???

honestly - maybe the gene is too shallow - but the idea that NOT taking the vaccine is the way to cure it is kinda inverted

Unless the government is made of of morons

Oh

hang on


hmmmmmmmm

 

[mjr]

It is quite clear that the governments all want to kill off huge numbers of their population
[...]
Unless the government is made of of morons

Oh

hang on


hmmmmmmmm

No need to if the government are morons, then they'll also fail at killing us!

 

[Johnno260]

Also just saying maths and statistics are all lies used to deceive us.

seems like an excuse to ignore hard facts when you don’t like them to me.

 

[winjim]

Also just saying maths and statistics are all lies used to deceive us.
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seems like an excuse to ignore hard facts when you don’t like them to me.

That's so close to getting it though.

 

[Ajax Bay]

Also just saying maths and statistics are all lies used to deceive us.
Seems like an excuse to ignore hard facts when you don’t like them to me.

Johnno - But this can be true, as @winjim says. Maths and statistics aren't all lies used to deceive us, but can be used mendaciously or to mislead. The quote "Lies, damn lies and statistics" comes to mind.
If a claim is made, you surely support checking it referring to reliable 'facts' using transparent maths as needed.

 

[Milzy]

Through all the fluff and guff it is still a choice. What is also a choice is whether those business owners and privately owned public events etc want to have non-vaccinated people frequent their property and gatherings. Freedom of choice works both ways. You can't be pro-choice then not at the same time...

The businesses that choose to only have in jibbies will be the first to feel the pain I suspect look at Moscow jibby pxssport lasted 3 weeks as everyone including the jibbies boycotted places that went with the narrative?! You think it’s about your health and the nation’s health??