Who's in the wrong?

Discussion in 'Advocacy and Cycling Safety' started by Accy cyclist, 19 Feb 2018.

  1. Cycleops

    Cycleops Veteran

    Location:
    Accra, Ghana
    Don’t know about the ROI but in the U.K. the mantra is check mirror, signal, turn.
     
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  2. Cuchilo

    Cuchilo Prize winning member X2

    Location:
    London
    With due care as the driver will be crossing a lane / path .
     
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  3. gbb

    gbb Legendary Member

    Location:
    Peterborough
    Pedant mode on :okay:...the broken white line isn' specifically to warn the driver they'e. Crossing a lane, or dashed white line. Sustrans themselves see it as follows
    ' A dashed white line indicates other vehicles can use the lane, which means you'e likely to have to share it with other cars, motorbikes as well as parked cars'

    There in almost all certainty won't be any markings on the cycle lane to indicate the junction...but there may well have been road signage to indicate to traffic there is.

    Either way...dont get me wrong, I'm not sticking up for the driver, he's clearly made a mistake...but (IMHO) the cyclist contributed towards his own downfall. Shared lane, driver not aware, cyclist not behaving appropriately .
     
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  4. colly

    colly Re member eR

    Location:
    Leeds
    IMO the cyclist is at fault. 100%

    A car turning left, indicator on, waiting for the road to clear.............what cretin would try to ride, at speed, up the inside? Well obviously the fool on the bike type of cretin.
    There is nothing wrong with undertaking a car in a slow moving lane or coming up to lights etc but it has to be done with your eyes open and your brain engaged.

    Seems to me the guy on the bike simply wasn't watching what was going on. Just because he's on a bike doesn't give him some kind special right to act as an idiot.
     
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  5. mjr

    mjr Wanting to Keep My EU Citizenship

    So we should stop mentioning that both parties are to blame and let the poor decent honest hard working normal tax paying law abiding ordinary motorists who don't want to pay their speeding fines or look before crossing another lane to their left... off scot free to avoid tiring some people out?

    Maddest reason yet?
     
  6. Mister Paul

    Mister Paul Legendary Member

    No, I've said nothing of the sort, so kindly find someone else to nail that reasoning to.

    It's about time we moved past this. Umpteen clips of drivers doing stuff wrong followed by rabbitting on about who was to blame. Always focusing on the other person. In this close quarter it makes drivers defensive and self-righteous, and encourages some cyclists to blast on through and end up on their back.

    Unless we're doing the productive education or speaking to a wider audience who are open to listen, this just ends up encouraging shouty youtubers and causes conflict.

    In this situation, we can learn from the cyclist, as cyclists, not to ride like an idiot. We could also learn from the driver, those of us who are drivers, not to cross a cycle lane unless we're absolutely sure that it's clear. And that's it.

    In conclusion, see my sig line. We're still looking at it the wrong way round.
     
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  7. mjr

    mjr Wanting to Keep My EU Citizenship

    Sigs aren't shown to mobiles and @Mister Paul has hidden his profile. Does the sig imply it's everyone else's responsibility to avoid him crashing into them?
     
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  8. boydj

    boydj Veteran

    Location:
    Paisley
    While technically the driver is at fault, the cyclist is riding too fast for the conditions and apparently with no awareness of what is going on around him and no anticipation of what might happen.
     
  9. Cuchilo

    Cuchilo Prize winning member X2

    Location:
    London
    Just had a quick look at the highway code and it seems the dashed white line is seen as the same as the dashed line in the middle of the road .
    The cycle lanes around here have double dashed lines at every junction so the cyclist stops . I prefer to use the road .
     
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  10. Mister Paul

    Mister Paul Legendary Member

    Turn your phone to landscape and you'll see..

    From the HC-
    The rules in The Highway Code do not give you the right of way in any circumstance, but they advise you when you should give way to others. Always give way if it can help to avoid an incident.


    You're still attributing to me something I'm not saying.
     
  11. mjr

    mjr Wanting to Keep My EU Citizenship

    Haha... lucky guess there on the sig contents!

    Can't you see how quoting only that bit seems like saying it's up to everyone else to give way to you regardless of the actual rules, to help avoid an incident?
     
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  12. mjr

    mjr Wanting to Keep My EU Citizenship

    No, see
    Screenshot_2018-02-19-22-20-35.png
     
  13. Mister Paul

    Mister Paul Legendary Member

    No, because it doesn't say that.

    Anyway, you've had my view. I'm not interested in squabbling.
     
    Last edited: 19 Feb 2018
  14. bpsmith

    bpsmith Veteran

    The “right of way” arguments always show up. Some people’s ideas on what this constitutes are amazing. You get this sort of attitude on the roads every day.

    On a roundabout, for example, many people latch on to the give way to the right guideline. That’s fine and generally works, but at some point the person making a manoeuvre then gains priority. Like when there’s somebody at every entrance and everyone looks at each other before one person decides to move. They have priority at that point, even though there’s somebody to their right. It’s just common sense, but some people approach at higher speeds and try and bully their way through.

    The OP’s scenario is the same. The driver has clearly approached properly, indicated and been patient without blocking the bike lane. They’ve then slowly moved across when safe to do so. At that point, they have priority, and the cyclist should give way to them. In this instance the rider appears to have had plenty of time to make various decisions on how to approach the driver. He may, or may not, be travelling within the speed limit but he’s clearly not travelling at a safe speed for the traffic shown.

    Blame or not though, sometimes these accidents can be well and truly avoided. People are just stubborn, whether driver or rider, or both.
     
    Last edited: 20 Feb 2018
  15. Cycleops

    Cycleops Veteran

    Location:
    Accra, Ghana
    Except it clearly wasn’t. The driver hadn’t checked his/her mirror properly. The bike was obviously travelling too fast for the conditions. I do agree with your final comment though.
     
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