Why do my spokes keep breaking? - Bike wheel science.

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Ian H

Ancient randonneur
Maybe it lost its temper after so long being neglected?

Temper fugit.
 
Location
Loch side.
I have a wheel in the garage where a spoke snapped while it was just hanging up on a hook. How'd that happen?

That's an interesting question, but before the speculation fest starts, are you sure the spoke broke whilst haning there and that it did not break before it was hung up and you just noticed now?
 

simonali

Legendary Member
That's an interesting question, but before the speculation fest starts, are you sure the spoke broke whilst haning there and that it did not break before it was hung up and you just noticed now?

Was definitely not broken before the wheels were retired. Only really keeping them as they are the ones that came on the bike, in case I ever sell it and the new owner wants them.
 
Location
Loch side.
Was definitely not broken before the wheels were retired. Only really keeping them as they are the ones that came on the bike, in case I ever sell it and the new owner wants them.

OK then. Back in the day when I had a wheelbuilding and wheel repair factory, I experienced the same. A sproke broke on a wheel waiting for repair. We all heard it and knowing what it sounds like, knew what it was. It was only found when that wheel's turn on the operating table came.
Spakes break from fatigue and the mode is a travelling stress crack. The crack starts on the outside of the spoke bend and slowly works its way inwards. At some point, the tension in the spoke is too much for the remaining material ahead of the crack and then the crack speeds up. The difference in speed can be seen when you inspect the spoke's broken end with a hand lens. You can see old exposure and new exposure quite clearly.
There is a very, very small change in spoke tension when temperature changes and my guess is that your broken spoke was at the very limit of holding on, the temperature changed (probably increased if we're talking aluminium rims here) and that last straw broke the camel's back.

An aluminium 700c rim will expand in circumference by about 0.5mm if the temperature increases by 10 degrees C.

You can fill in the gaps by figuring out what the conditions were when your spoke broke.
 

simonali

Legendary Member
In a garage, so the temperatures would fluctuate a fair bit but why haven't any of the other 11 (?) wheels out there gone twang?
 

rogerzilla

Legendary Member
The unkeyed and annoyingly expensive Campag seat clamp bolts used on some vintage bikes can also snap when the bike is just standing around. Like spokes, they're steel and under constant tension. However, they're also chromed and this doesn't help their life expectancy at all. Chromed spokes had a bad reputation.
 

sevenfourate

Devotee of OCD
"Explosive tension". Could happen at any time - lucky you weren't anywhere near it :-)

Right.


Bjorn Borg apparently used to use very high string tension on his Tennis Rackets. This; in the day of Wooden frames.

Supposedly strings / frames would regularly 'give up the ghost' / explode / snap. Often when not in use.......
 
They're bad wheels: either built with poor quality spokes or (more likely) badly built - insufficiently tight, not stress-relieved, poor spoke-rim angle or even laced the wrong way round, with spokes from the LH rim holes into the RH flange. Not many bike shops build great wheels; they don't have the time to do the best job for what you'd be willing to pay, probably £25 a wheel labour, so ask around for recommendations. Try to get DT spokes; Sapim are also good but I don't find them quite as easy to build with (consistency in length, probably).

The well-known specialist builders insist on choosing the components as they know they can get good results in an acceptable time when all the unknowns are eliminated.

I agree. Modern wheels trued and tensioned by computer, will stay true and last ages.
 

raleighnut

Legendary Member
Caused by what?

(ie where was the hole, what actually punctured the tyre)

Holes in rubber don't just appear!

I was sat in the dining room when through the sliding door I heard a hissing, went into the conservatory to find the rear wheel slowly deflating. Bike hadn't moved for more than 30 hours (since I'd got home from work the previous morning) maybe another 100 yards of travel and it would have gone but it is weird when just sitting there the tube decides to (audibly) deflate.
 
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