Workplace Parking II - Tax Spaces ?

[Linford]

The showers in our office are also used by people who go for a run at lunchtime - there are a few of them, possibly as many as the cyclists (there aren't many cyclists).

Most of the people in my co chill out in the lunch hour. All of the shop floor jobs involve manual labour - you need to be fit to do the job.

 

[dellzeqq]

What exactly are roads for?

a good question, but not the right question - which is........
'what are streets for?'

 

[User482]

Realistically though, the only people who benefit from showers in the workplace are the ones who cycle.

Or walk or jog, or work in a hot environment. It's called being civilised.

They are a benefit in kind, and I've never actually worked in a place which has them.

Change jobs, then.

I do actually consider cycle commuting or motorcycle commuting as indulgent, and we don't queue in traffic, and if paid overtime on a clocking system, actually lose out as more time is required for the commute with all things considered when directly comparing modes.

You're only paid for the time you work, regardless of how you get there, and how much time you spend getting there is a choice.

You're lucky that cyclists reduce your journey time by freeing up road space. I look forward to your public thanks.

 

[theclaud]

I look forward to your public thanks.

Do you think you're looking forward to them more than I am?

 

[User482]

What exactly are roads for?

Many different things, for example.

1. Walking.
2. Cycling.
3. Public transport.
4. Delivery of essential goods and services.
5. Vehicles for disabled people.
6. Children playing.

Oh, and what Dell said.

 

[Linford]

Your sentences are sufficiently confusing that I am not sure exactly what you are arguing, but if workplace showers are of particular benefit to cyclists (although they are of course available to anyone who wishes to make use of them), then of course they should not be taxed, as we want to make it as easy as possible for employers to encourage people to cycle to work instead of driving. Don't we, Linf?

Well, my co is out of town, and in a country location. Some people here commute 45+ miles per day. It simply isn't practical to cycle commute 48 weeks of the year over that distance. One guy uses a pedelec, and that is about 24 miles per day, but he is doing that on a pedelec, and not under his own steam.
When I was cycling 80-90 miles per week, a few years ago, 4 days of cycle commuting in wiith that a week was enough, as commuting is realy just no fun - it is just a neccesity to get to the place of work.

 

[dellzeqq]

spending time on your own and with friends
recognising your neighbours and welcoming newcomers
looking at the world, looking at other people and looking good yourself
reading a newspaper while waiting for a bus
talking to cats while wearing pyjamas

 

[theclaud]

Well, my co is out of town, and in a country location. Some people here commute 45+ miles per day. It simply isn't practical to cycle commute 48 weeks of the year over that distance. One guy uses a pedelec, and that is about 24 miles per day, but he is doing that on a pedelec, and not under his own steam.
When I was cycling 80-90 miles per week, a few years ago, 4 days of cycle commuting in wiith that a week was enough, as commuting is realy just no fun - it is just a neccesity to get to the place of work.

I'm still not sure what you are arguing, but since we're onto anecdotes now, I commute about 20 (hilly) miles a day (it's 10 flattish ones if I go the shortest way, but I usually double it for fun), all year round. And it is, in fact, almost always a whole lot of fun. Perhaps you are approaching it in the wrong frame of mind? Now, where were we on the workplace parking thing?

 

[User482]

Well, my co is out of town, and in a country location. Some people here commute 45+ miles per day. It simply isn't practical to cycle commute 48 weeks of the year over that distance. One guy uses a pedelec, and that is about 24 miles per day, but he is doing that on a pedelec, and not under his own steam.

If motoring wasn't so heavily subsidised, your company wouldn't be in that location.

When I was cycling 80-90 miles per week, a few years ago, 4 days of cycle commuting in wiith that a week was enough, as commuting is realy just no fun - it is just a neccesity to get to the place of work.

Well that's where you're wrong: my commute is great fun. The only times it isn't fun are when idiot drivers put my life in danger.

When did you last ride a bike?

 

[Linford]

Or walk or jog, or work in a hot environment. It's called being civilised.


Change jobs, then.


You're only paid for the time you work, regardless of how you get there, and how much time you spend getting there is a choice.

You're lucky that cyclists reduce your journey time by freeing up road space. I look forward to your public thanks.

I normally see about half a dozen cycle commuters on the way into work over 5 miles. I motorcycle commute, and so am rarely held up.

We did this commuting times thing a few weeks ago. Cycle commuting was the slowest behind motorcycles, and motorcycle commuting was again slower than car commuting when taking into account disabling security, suiting up and changing.

Add a shower onto the end of commutes in both directions, and cycling in terms of time becomes an indulgence - as does motorcycling given the reasons above. A car by comparison is just jump in and drive. - I'm on the motorcycle today BTW - I'm indulging myself by using it

 

[Linford]

I'm still not sure what you are arguing, but since we're onto anecdotes now, I commute about 20 (hilly) miles a day (it's 10 flattish ones if I go the shortest way, but I usually double it for fun), all year round. And it is, in fact, almost always a whole lot of fun. Perhaps you are approaching it in the wrong frame of mind? Now, where were we on the workplace parking thing?

So you spend 2 hours a day in the saddle for fun - I'd call that an indulgence..

 

[User482]

I normally see about half a dozen cycle commuters on the way into work over 5 miles. I motorcycle commute, and so am rarely held up.

We did this commuting times thing a few weeks ago. Cycle commuting was the slowest behind motorcycles, and motorcycle commuting was again slower than car commuting when taking into account disabling security, suiting up and changing.

Add a shower onto the end of commutes in both directions, and cycling in terms of time becomes an indulgence - as does motorcycling given the reasons above. A car by comparison is just jump in and drive. - I'm on the motorcycle today BTW - I'm indulging myself by using it

1. Do you have a shower before you go to work? Could you explain how this saves time compared with having a shower at work?

2. It is always quicker for me to cycle commute than to drive. Even if it were slower, I'd still cycle, because it is a far more civilised way to travel.

3. Cycling consumes far fewer resources than driving. Could you explain how this makes it an indulgence?

 

[Glow worm]

So you spend 2 hours a day in the saddle for fun - I'd call that an indulgence..

Perhaps you are on the wrong forum?

 

[User482]

So you spend 2 hours a day in the saddle for fun - I'd call that an indulgence..

Yes, theclaud is a cyclist who spends her free time cycling. If you find that so hard to understand, why are you here?

Edit - beaten to it!

 

[Linford]

If motoring wasn't so heavily subsidised, your company wouldn't be in that location.



Well that's where you're wrong: my commute is great fun. The only times it isn't fun are when idiot drivers put my life in danger.

When did you last ride a bike?

My horrible clunker,MTB, about 2 weeks ago, and not riding it as the bottom bracket is fubarred . My motorcycle, about 8 hours ago. I'll have another roadie in a month or so with all being well so a lot more then, It is difficult to indulge oneself without access to the proper kit