Would I notice the difference?

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mr_s81

Über Member
As some of you may have read in another thread, I have only been cycling for 8 weeks now. I bought my Carrera Virtuoso through the Cycle2Work scheme and have really got into this cycling lark as a means of improving my fitness! I’ve been using it quite a bit (non-commuting miles only) for probably nearly 1000 miles now.

So far I have upgraded the wheelset to Planet-X Model B’s (which are excellent) and the tyres to Vittoria Rubino Pro III’s. I also added some MK1 Crudracer mudguards (great in the wet weather) and front and rear lights (vision 1’s arrived this morning and to be fitted later). Although I have some tacx rollers, my intention is to try and continue riding into the dark evenings and get out as much as possible (weather dependent).

I’m really enjoying the Carrera and have as of last week broken the 50 mile barrier on it. As a rule of thumb it is quite comfortable on decent-ish road surfaces, but when you start to traverse over road surfaces which are less good, i.e.where the tarmac is starting to break up, the shock / vibration travels up through my whole body. This is more noticable a good few miles into rides when I’m probably starting to feel a bit more tired.

For me one of the biggest negatives on the bike is the STI 2200 levers, or to be more specific, the fact that it is very difficult to go to a smaller gear when I’m on the drops. The old stretch your thumb to try and change down inevitably ends up in some comedy wobbling!! I’ve been looking on the web for a solution and noticed these. As much as I would like to improve the ease of gear changing, would it be sensible to start spending almost £200 to remedy that, to then maybe start looking at upgrading other things such as Carbon Forks, Seatposts etc? I’m very conscious that I could soon end up spending than what I bought the bike for in the first place.

Obviously wheels, tyres, lights, mudguards etc are all transferable which is fine. But once you start into carbon forks, r500 levers and such like, you end up specing the bike to a point that you’d probably been as well off buying a more expensive new one. Even with the upgrades you still have sora gears, lesser brakes etc.

Regardless of whether I upgrade or go for another, my intention is to hold on to Virtuoso and ride it throughout the winter without much worry about the adverse effects of the weather etc. If I did get another, it would be the old n+1 scenario which seems to be a favourite on here!

I am very conscious of the ‘grass is greener’ scenario, but I've been sorely tempted by these - Focus Cayo 2010 Ltd Edition (£1020 inc postage) and Planet-X SL Carbon Pro (£1099 inc postage) Purchasing another bike at this time would probably end up quite expensive for me (not only the cost of the bike but also the cost of a divorce :whistle:), but if you were in my position, what would you do? Would it be better to hold off for another month or two and try to pick up a bargain in the autumn, or would it make more sense to change the alu forks to carbon, get the ST500 levers and for less than £300, possibly transform the bike?

I know in reality,the models I’m looking at are the more basic carbon framed ones with better components than what I have. Question is, are they going to be much faster / more comfortable than what I already have considering the upgrades I’ve made? More than that, will my legs with only 8 weeks of cycling behind them be able to take advantage of any perceived benefits?

Or as cyclists, are we never truly satisfied with the current bike that we have and always looking for something which is “better” whether in truth this is the case or not?! :rolleyes::biggrin:


Apologies for the exceptionally long-winded post, but any thoughts, advice, opinions would be much appreciated! :thumbsup:


Ian
 

vorsprung

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Location
Devon
I know in reality,the models I’m looking at are the more basic carbon framed ones with better components than what I have. Question is, are they going to be much faster / more comfortable than what I already have considering the upgrades I’ve made? More than that, will my legs with only 8 weeks of cycling behind them be able to take advantage of any perceived benefits?

Faster.. possible but unlikely. You have nicer wheels already
Comfortable.. comfort is a sum of various things. The most important are the bike fit, the tyre size and pressure and the bike design. You could have a cheap bike that fit you, had a good design and nice tyres that was more comfy than an expensive bike
Benefits with 8 weeks in the legs.. the benefits are likely to be small but the number of weeks in the legs doesn't affect it
 
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mr_s81

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Faster.. possible but unlikely. You have nicer wheels already
Comfortable.. comfort is a sum of various things. The most important are the bike fit, the tyre size and pressure and the bike design. You could have a cheap bike that fit you, had a good design and nice tyres that was more comfy than an expensive bike
Benefits with 8 weeks in the legs.. the benefits are likely to be small but the number of weeks in the legs doesn't affect it

Wow - that was a quick reply. I take your points on board :thumbsup:. I've arranged with my LBS to get my fit checked on the bike tomorrow to see if that improves the comfort levels. May also try altering tyre pressures - currently running 110psi at front and 120psi at rear (minimum it says on the tyres is 100psi).
 
Carbon forks over Alu ones make a huge difference to road vibration and judders with narrow wheels/tyres. I was quite shocked at the difference when trying a steel forked bike compared against an Alu forked one as the steel was proven to soak up the bumps much better. Carbon forks appear to be as good as steel for this.

Carbon seatpost also supposedly less 'bumpy', but is far less noticable than the forks ime.

I get the point about replacing the levers and forks costing nearly as much as a new bike with them already fitted though.
 

Globalti

Legendary Member
Effectively you are talking about swopping your alu frame for a carbon frame, right?

I rode an alu bike 48 miles last summer and finished up absolutely beaten up, it was shockingly uncomfortable and I vowed never to get astride an aluminium bike again. Carbon forks and seatpost will help but as you've already guessed, you will never be happy with the compromise. When costing and justifying the change, take into account the value of the alu frame, which you can sell for good money.

Let me tell you this: I ride a carbon Specialised Roubaix, which is built for old duffers like me who want a comfortable sportiff bike. Last Wednesday on my regular evening training run with my buddy we found our usual route had been cold-planed in preparation for resurfacing. We crept along for 200 yards to see if we could see the end of the cold-planed section then turned back. What amazed me was that I could feel the bike springing under me as I rode over the nasty surface, it was really remarkable to feel the tyres, frame and seat post and bars soaking up the bumps. This is a bike equipped with Kysirium SL wheels, which are pretty stiff and unforgiving. As far as I'm concerned carbon is my friend!
 

tuffty

Senior Member
Location
Cambs
I've got a Trek Madone 4.7 (Carbon with Ultegra levers you can operate from the drops) and a Specialized Allez Sport for rainy days (aluminium, carbon forks and Sora levers you can't use from the drops). I can honestly say that although the difference in speed is really noticeable (I seem to average about 17.5 on the Specialized versus 19 on the Trek) the comfort is exactly the same on both - I don't have any problems in that area. I don't know if that's saying that the carbon forks on the Specialized are brilliant, or that the carbon frame is no more comfortable than the alu?
 

zacklaws

Guru
Location
Beverley
I have a Trek 1.2 (aluminium, carbon forks) and a Trek Madone 4.5 (carbon), if I ride the 1.2 followed by the 4.5, I notice no difference, but if I ride the 4.5 first followed by the 1.2, the difference in comfort is very noticeable and it really stands out the battering you get on an aluminium frame.
 

RedBike

New Member
Location
Beside the road
I used to prefer my steel bike over my carbon bike.

There was less vibration on the carbon frame but the steel frame was softer over bumps
 

cyberknight

As long as I breathe, I attack.
If you are serious about really upgrading your bike maybe the best bet is to stop spending money on the virtuosso and save it towards a bike that match
es the specs you would like.

I like my virtuosso and for the money its a great bike but i am under no illusions about comparing it to a full carbon bike with higher spec groupset etc.
 

the_mikey

Legendary Member
For me one of the biggest negatives on the bike is the STI 2200 levers, or to be more specific, the fact that it is very difficult to go to a smaller gear when I’m on the drops. The old stretch your thumb to try and change down inevitably ends up in some comedy wobbling!! I’ve been looking on the web for a solution and noticed these. As much as I would like to improve the ease of gear changing, would it be sensible to start spending almost £200 to remedy that, to then maybe start looking at upgrading other things such as Carbon Forks, Seatposts etc? I’m very conscious that I could soon end up spending than what I bought the bike for in the first place.


I have a virtuoso and those STI2200 levers are unbearably awful, it seems to be made for someone with massive hands. I wouldn't spend any money on the virtuoso, just save up for a bike with better specs. I can't comment on Alu vs Carbon, I have two bikes and they're both Alu.
 
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mr_s81

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Thank you all for your replies. Your opinions, thoughts and advice is much appreciated! :thumbsup:

The more I think about it, the more it wouldn't make sense for me to spend the money on the Virtuoso to bring it up to the spec I would like. Don't get me wrong, I do like the bike and upgrading the wheels etc really has made a difference, but the downshifting, slight discomfort issues still remain.

When I looked at the things I wanted to change and priced around some options, it's was bit scary! :wacko: When you get into the realm of new carbon forks (£100), Shimano R500 lever set (£170) and new carbon seat posts (£70?) it's basically at the value of a new Virtuoso. I've decided (more or less) to try and get the necessary funds gathered up for the Planet-X SL Pro SRAM Red. Sure it's probably far too good for me and probably more than I'll ever need, but it's the same principle as driving a Porsche 911 Turbo or Ferrari. Truth is, you'll never (legally) be able to exploit the full potential on the road. But isn't it nice to know that it's there anyway just should you need it! :becool:

To be honest this cycling lark has got much more expensive than I'd thought! I've already spent more than I had hoped to since I started (getting all the kit etc), but the enjoyment of pushing yourself, setting and achieving new targets is rather addicitive! If you'd told me two months ago that I would have been able to cycle 50 miles by this time, I would have laughed. But the sheer addictiveness of the thing has kept me going out (rain and all).

Normally, my love of two wheels extends to those of a motorised variety, but since the bug has bitten for that of the pedalling variety, the motorised versions haven't saw much use over these past couple of months! :whistle::biggrin:
 
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