Would you help to stop it?

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Custom24

Über Member
Location
Oxfordshire
What about him?
Well, his work in the 60's showed that on average, 85% of normal decent people will administer a fatal electric shock to another just because they are told to do it. That separating groups of people and putting uniforms on one group and putting them in charge of the other group will lead to human rights abuses within a couple of days. And a bunch of other experiments that basically show that we have a deep seated instinct to go along with the social flow, and an inability to step outside of that.

Most of the people who did intervene were when the experiment was being played out only in front of them. Having other people around not only diluted their responsibility, but made them even more reluctant to intervene and break the social flow. It's something you see with first aid situations too.
 

theclaud

Openly Marxist
Location
Swansea
the important bit he was responding

And I'm a woman.

Sorry about the assumption!
 

theclaud

Openly Marxist
Location
Swansea
Well, his work in the 60's showed that on average, 85% of normal decent people will administer a fatal electric shock to another just because they are told to do it. That separating groups of people and putting uniforms on one group and putting them in charge of the other group will lead to human rights abuses within a couple of days. And a bunch of other experiments that basically show that we have a deep seated instinct to go along with the social flow, and an inability to step outside of that.

Most of the people who did intervene were when the experiment was being played out only in front of them. Having other people around not only diluted their responsibility, but made them even more reluctant to intervene and break the social flow. It's something you see with first aid situations too.

I'm aware of the experiment to which you refer (which wasn't about bystander intervention but obedience to authority-figures, and what it demonstrated is by no means as simple and uncontested as you suggest) - my point was that invoking the name associated with a famous experiment is a bit of a lazy way of imagining you have offered a penetrating insight whilst actually demonstrating nothing in particular.
 

MarkF

Guru
Location
Yorkshire
I saw 3 blokes in their early 20's attacking another in the cheese aisle in Asda, I smacked them over their heads with my fists, cheese, olives, pasties, anything I could get my hands on and they soon stopped, it was great. :smile:
 

Gravity Aided

Legendary Member
Location
Land of Lincoln
I saw 3 blokes in their early 20's attacking another in the cheese aisle in Asda, I smacked them over their heads with my fists, cheese, olives, pasties, anything I could get my hands on and they soon stopped, it was great. :smile:
The pastie can be a lethal weapon.
Handle with care.
BTW, who has a fight in the cheese aisle of a grocers?
Gourmands?
 

Custom24

Über Member
Location
Oxfordshire
I'm aware of the experiment to which you refer (which wasn't about bystander intervention but obedience to authority-figures, and what it demonstrated is by no means as simple and uncontested as you suggest) - my point was that invoking the name associated with a famous experiment is a bit of a lazy way of imagining you have offered a penetrating insight whilst actually demonstrating nothing in particular.
Fair. I was being lazy, and I don't know much about social psychology.

However, I was thinking of his work generally, rather than specifically the electoshock authority experiment. I did also mention the prison experiment, and a vague reference to the later work he did on social breaches. It was the latter I was thinking specifically related to what is going on in the OP's video.

There is an obvious reluctance to get involved in a physical confrontation because of fear for one's own physical safety (some of the interveners get a little too close too quickly for my liking - they could also have intervened verbally, for example "I am calling campus security!", and kept their distance)

My "penetrating insight" is that there are also at work sub-conscious, instinctive behavioural forces, which we all have inside us (in this case, the reluctance to commit a social breach and get involved in someone else's business). People are not as rational and clear of thinking as they like to imagine, in my opinion. And Stanley Milgram's experiments are the only experiments I am familiar with that show this clearly. You can hopefully educate me as to others.

From what I've read, the most famous obedience to authority experiment results are still reproducible today.

For what it's worth, I am not offering instinctive reactions or social psychology as an excuse for inaction. Rather the opposite - by being aware of our instincts, maybe we can guard against them leading us to do the "wrong" thing. I like to think the widespread knowledge of the obedience to authority experiment has made us all a little less blindly obedient.
 

Ian A

Über Member
I'd like to think I would help if I could but wouldn't put myself in extreme danger to do it. There are other ways to help. We heard a man being beaten up slowly by a group of men on our street. They were toying with him and taking their time. I didn't fancy the outcome if I confronted them all so called the police. Somene had already called them and they were already on the way. If it was a more aggressive assault I'm not sure what I would have done.
 
It's American, but that's a TV show (or maybe just a professionally done YouTube channel) called WWYD (What would you do) that put loads of situations like this into place. Many of them are quite eye opening, some are moving, and some are bland!
 

sazzaa

Guest
I seem to split up fights quite often, my mouth has got me into trouble a few times but I don't like seeing people as victims. There was a guy manhandling his girlfriend and shouting abuse at her, right next to a whole taxi queue full of people at the weekend and not one of them would say anything. So I shouted, brought loads of attention to it and he walked away... Only for the girl to follow him. Sometimes I wonder why I bother.
 
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