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Time to set a PB up the Alpe 
Brusgaard
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My comment was just that the presentation looked exactly the same way as most recent Apple presentations, even down to the “just one more thing”.
I know nothing about Specialized as a brand or whether they are better than the Canyons, the Cannondales, Treks or any other major brands.
Heck I didn’t even know KTM made road bikes and my employer is a KTM supplier. 
But that is for their offroad (motor) bikes.
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<Tommy>
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My comment was just that the presentaktion looked exactly the same way as most recent Apple presentations, even down to the “just one more thing”.
I know nothing about Specialized as a brand or whether they are better than the Canyons, the Cannondales, Treks or any other major brands.
Yeah they clearly spend a fortune on marketing! It’s hard for me to compare to those brands too as I haven’t owned the equivalent frame of those brands. I think they must all be pretty close together though in terms of aero, weight, and all that.
Just as a side point because you mentioned trek. They are quite a good example of the power of marketing too. The Lance Armstrong effect turning them from a relatively modest manufacturer into one selling millions of bikes off the back of his endorsement.
Brusgaard
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I have Trek, Cannondale, Giant and Cube across my road/MTB bikes, so not very brand “loyal”.
I think the Armstrong effect has somehow vanished these days.
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<Tommy>
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I have Trek, Cannondale, Giant and Cube across my road/MTB bikes, so not very brand “loyal”.
I think the Armstrong effect has somehow vanished these days.
Don’t know. He definitely has a different effect on people now. But he has a chain of bike shops and a popular podcast which is heavily sponsored. I don’t suppose any big manufacturer would go near him anytime soon. But he’s doing a pretty good job of re branding himself considering everything.
Brusgaard
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I suspect you have seen the 3 hour+ ESPN documentary on his career/person? I don’t think that puts his person or merits in a very good light. He cheated like so many others at the time, but the way he treated people around him before and after he/they got caught was awful to hear.
BurningLegs
Veteran
Lance is a bully, no doubt about that in my mind. But that doesn't really seem to go against you in the US, does it?!
<Tommy>
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I haven’t seen that latest documentary. I feel like I’ve heard it all before to be honest. I’ve seen loads of Armstrong documentaries in the past and from what I gather it’s just more of him trying to justify his actions without ultimately taking responsibility.
He’s very clever in lots of ways. Street smart. Strong survival instincts.
<Tommy>
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Lance is a bully, no doubt about that in my mind. But that doesn't really seem to go against you in the US, does it?!
Nor most other places unfortunately.
mjd1988
Guru
For those interested here is a recording of my 'devastating' attack Monday on the reverse KoM .... shame I'd already been dropped by the lead group on the Volcano
Great attack. Got clear and splintered the chasing group
Brusgaard
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Just a heads up for anyone who missed doing the new France routes, or would like to do them again.
All AHDR events next week will be on the new French roads. Their rides/races are usually in the morning or evening UK, as they are Australia based.
All AHDR events next week will be on the new French roads. Their rides/races are usually in the morning or evening UK, as they are Australia based.
Sweet - not ridden on the French stuff yet
It's when the first 2 guys went ahead and I followed them, thinking I was just marking them ..... then I went over the top of them and their power dropped. For a second I was considering just dropping back too and riding with the group, but then kept the power on to see what happened
Interesting that of the 4 chasers 2 were B's - had they not been there maybe the chasers wouldn't have been so close - not sure. Was enjoyable though if ultimately pointless 
