Zwift Chat

[CXRAndy]

I haven't ridden since my big ride last Friday - went down with a horrible cold on Saturday but it's starting to subside now.

Daniel (4) returned a positive LFT on Monday evening, though the rest of us have remained in the clear. Doing some intermittent working from home this week to look after the little guy while he bounces off the walls.

The LFT is hit and miss with its results. Id bet if you had a PCR test more of you would return positive.

However having a positive PCR doesn't necessarily confirm you will go onto develop any signs. Having a cold and a family member with a positive result could indicate you have had O micron recently.

I had a PCR test 5 weeks after my suspected covid illness. My covid was confirmed by an antibody test prior to my PCR test. 5 weeks after covid I still had virus that the PCR could detect 😲

 

[bobinski]

Carbohydrates are not essential to human health, only essential fatty acids and amino acids from proteins.

But the Western diet has been an absolute disaster for a majority of folk. Diabetes and obesity have gone hand in hand for the last 50 years. The complications from diabetes are numerous and are by far the biggest contributor to heart and circulatory health plus other organs. Not to mention Alzheimers.

They dont have to be essential to be useful-especially where calorific expenditure is high, as it is for anyone doing even what we do on the turbo and you also in the weights room. You do need carbs but it is, as you say, where you get them from that matters and ensuring you have enough-as opposed to too many.

I absolutley agree with you about the western diet. Food producers are also doing a pretty good job exporting it to and damaging the health of the rest of the world.

I have managed to not eat meat for 18 days, which may not sound like much, but when my eldest cooked steaks (organic etc) for him and my youngest the other night i wasn't even tempted. I made falafel wraps with gerkins and rocket salad and garlic mayonaise.I wonder how long that will last

 

[<Tommy>]

Seriously, Im not in ketosis. But those complications are alarmist. Keto is to reduce carbs to the point the body makes ketones and creates its own glucose through gluconeogenesis.

The basic keto diet involves lots of fresh vegetables and a slight increase in proteins from quality grass fed animals or freshly caught wild fish an increase in saturated fats or olive oils

There is nothing which would be detrimental to a humans health.

Carbohydrates are not essential to human health, only essential fatty acids and amino acids from proteins.

Its not a problem for you Tommy being slim. But the Western diet has been an absolute disaster for a majority of folk. Diabetes and obesity have gone hand in hand for the last 50 years. The complications from diabetes are numerous and are by far the biggest contributor to heart and circulatory health plus other organs. Not to mention Alzheimers.

I try and keep my carbs low, but really try to fast 16-18 hours a day. My next meal will be tomorrow evening.

Lots of water between now and then

Well… not to not pick. But… diet is of course an issue for everyone, including me as much as anyone else. 6 years ago I was over 90kg. I’m ‘slim’ now because I’m a lot more aware of what I eat. It’s not luck that I’m slim, I wish it was!

I’m not going to lie, I am slightly dubious about diets in general. That’s not to say I think they’re a complete scam. I mean whatever works works and good luck with it really. We all find our own way hopefully…
But I think most people who eat a healthy selection of foods, in moderation relative to what they burn and don’t eat junk food are in a good place.

Don’t know why I thought you were on a keto diet. Are you on a variation of it?

 

[<Tommy>]

They dont have to be essential to be useful-especially where calorific expenditure is high, as it is for anyone doing even what we do on the turbo and you also in the weights room. You do need carbs but it is, as you say, where you get them from that matters and ensuring you have enough-as opposed to too many.

I absolutley agree with you about the western diet. Food producers are also doing a pretty good job exporting it to and damaging the health of the rest of the world.

I have managed to not eat meat for 18 days, which may not sound like much, but when my eldest cooked steaks (organic etc) for him and my youngest the other night i wasn't even tempted. I made falafel wraps with gerkins and rocket salad and garlic mayonaise.I wonder how long that will last

I mean I’m not going to say I agree with you, people will start talking.

But I don’t disagree with you!

 

[BurningLegs]

But I don’t disagree with you!

And I thought he was the lawyer 🤣

 

[straas]

Well… not to not pick. But… diet is of course an issue for everyone, including me as much as anyone else. 6 years ago I was over 90kg. I’m ‘slim’ now because I’m a lot more aware of what I eat. It’s not luck that I’m slim, I wish it was!

I’m not going to lie, I am slightly dubious about diets in general. That’s not to say I think they’re a complete scam. I mean whatever works works and good luck with it really. We all find our own way hopefully…
But I think most people who eat a healthy selection of foods, in moderation relative to what they burn and don’t eat junk food are in a good place.

Don’t know why I thought you were on a keto diet. Are you on a variation of it?

I think part of the issue is junk food is getting harder to spot.

 

[bobinski]

And I thought he was the lawyer 🤣

Why do you think Tommo takes so much pleasure in telling me i am wrong ???

 

[<Tommy>]

I think part of the issue is junk food is getting harder to spot.

I dunno mate. I think you kind of can if you follow some rules.

Like maybe:

Assume everything pre cooked is shite

Everything with a pre made sauce is shite

Even salad dressing that comes pre made salad is shite

Pizza = generally shite

Alcohol = ok ok I draw the line at alcohol (please forgive me lord of the grape 🙏!!)

But yeah, basically anything you haven’t cooked yourself or been cooked from scratch has got a ton of sugar and salt in it. And the amount of sugar is quite honestly startling.

So if you just assume all that stuff is crap until proven otherwise it’s amazing how much sugar you can knock out of your diet.

 

[bobinski]

I think part of the issue is junk food is getting harder to spot.

My starting point is all processed food, by that i mean pre prepared foods etc. for heating up , even weight watchers, is junk food.

I was recently surprised to see how much south east asian food (which we all love dont we? ) has sugar added to it, even on cookery shows. Transpires that bar a few exceptions it seems to be a response to the food being introduced outside SEA to make it more attractive and its now feeding back into the cooking practices in SEA.

 

[CXRAndy]

They dont have to be essential to be useful-especially where calorific expenditure is high

Its true Bob, when doing multi hour intense exercise, they become a necessity to ensure a high performance..

Ive done an hour race being 16hour fasted, with now drop off in performance. Ive noted my body needing a small amount of Carbs for these 1 hour plus events, so have done so knowing the carbs will be used for immediate fuelling

 

[bridgy]

I dunno mate. I think you kind of can if you follow some rules.

Like maybe:

Assume everything pre cooked is shite

Everything with a pre made sauce is shite

Even salad dressing that comes pre made salad is shite

Pizza = generally shite

Alcohol = ok ok I draw the line at alcohol (please forgive me lord of the grape 🙏!!)

But yeah, basically anything you haven’t cooked yourself or been cooked from scratch has got a ton of sugar and salt in it. And the amount of sugar is quite honestly startling.

So if you just assume all that stuff is crap until proven otherwise it’s amazing how much sugar you can knock out of your diet.

Trying to help my sporty son with his nutrition when he was getting confused with all the conflicting advice, and as a result avoiding foods he needed for a balanced diet etc., this ☝️ is the exact advice I gave him and I 100% agree Tommy.

Doesn't mean NEVER eat that stuff (I mean,come on, Pizza ), but avoid it and keep it to a minimum (like the beer/wine )

 

[alex_cycles]

Well… not to not pick. But… diet is of course an issue for everyone, including me as much as anyone else. 6 years ago I was over 90kg. I’m ‘slim’ now because I’m a lot more aware of what I eat. It’s not luck that I’m slim, I wish it was!

I’m not going to lie, I am slightly dubious about diets in general. That’s not to say I think they’re a complete scam. I mean whatever works works and good luck with it really. We all find our own way hopefully…
But I think most people who eat a healthy selection of foods, in moderation relative to what they burn and don’t eat junk food are in a good place.

I was 79kg (~25% body fat) when I bought my first Garmin and started getting more serious about cycling in June 2018.
67kg (~17% body fat) and 3 waist inches less now (was 66kg in December - bloody Christmas and cold weather and illnesses )

I've essentially been practicing the "move more, eat less"TM diet and trying to lose weight slowly and sustainably (~500g/month). It's working for me but I do have to maintain high activity levels (~600 miles/month) or it regresses.

I've recently been reading "The Endurance Diet" by Matt Fitzgerald which is interesting as he studied the eating habits of top endurance athletes round the world. That's given me a bit more focus on quality of food, but I was already along the right lines. It's all interesting stuff, and quite scientific.

 

[<Tommy>]

Why do you think Tommo takes so much pleasure in telling me i am wrong ???

😁

It’s gives me no pleasure mate. I just don’t like to see you keeping hold of misinformed views 😇

 

[kipster]

I eat some rubbish, but mostly eat well. Lots of organic veg from a local farm, all my beef comes from a local farm. Other meat generally from a local farm shop. I also eat a lot of fish.

I also grow veg in my back garden,.last year I made a load of pasta sauces from the veg which we've just finished the last of. I have enough french beans to last me until may..

We have stuff in the freezer for lazy days but never ready meals.

I've been trying to get my wife to reduce carbs, not that we eat a lot,main source is probably potatoes.

I don't drink, but I do eat cake and chocolates occasionally.

My weight fluctuates from 74kg to 76kg all year round.

I've done fasting, and keto to support my wife on diets, but they are usually short lived (thankfully).

When I'm cycling across France and Spain this year, this will all go out of the window as I'll be craving all sorts of rubbish

 

[<Tommy>]

My starting point is all processed food, by that i mean pre prepared foods etc. for heating up , even weight watchers, is junk food.

I was recently surprised to see how much south east asian food (which we all love dont we? ) has sugar added to it, even on cookery shows. Transpires that bar a few exceptions it seems to be a response to the food being introduced outside SEA to make it more attractive and its now feeding back into the cooking practices in SEA.

Bloody hell we can’t ‘not disagree’ twice in one day surely!