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[mjd1988]

Are you saying that at full gaz effort sprint, you can't do a bit of mental arithmatic?

It is a quirk of the points system but impossible to control ... so all we can do is keep winning the races each week then we have control of our own destiny and what Jura do will have no impact of us.

I think we have to assume they will put out a good TTT and may beat us into 2nd again ... so they are probably 2 points ahead of us at the moment, so we know we need to be ahead of them 2 weeks on points races at least.

Baring a miracle from them Tuesday, I can't see them beating us this week as Tommy has picked a team to dominate that course.

I think they may put a bit more emphasis on FTS if they are paying attention but still fancy us next week. I also think we have a good chance in the TTT. The bigger climbing races I feel less confident about, A lot depends on how seriously they are taking it. Not that we are obsessing...

 

[bobinski]

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[Whorty]

I think they may put a bit more emphasis on FTS if they are paying attention but still fancy us next week. I also think we have a good chance in the TTT. The bigger climbing races I feel less confident about, A lot depends on how seriously they are taking it. Not that we are obsessing...

The early sprints Tuesday will be dominated by the sprinters, but as the laps pass, sprinters will be getting dropped, so by the time the pack gets to the final 2 sprints, the endurance riders like Tommy and Paul (and yourself) will be taking the FAL points.

If this was just a first past the post race, all 40 riders would make it to the base of the KoM, but the sprint efforts will push many of us into the red and whittle down the pack.

I do think they will be scared of us this week, which could make them act less rationally, maybe attacking early at the sprints .... we'll see!

 

[BurningLegs]

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Can't see that because it is a private group - can you paste the content instead of a link?

 

[bobinski]

Can't see that because it is a private group - can you paste the content instead of a link?

 

[<Tommy>]

I think we have to assume they will put out a good TTT and may beat us into 2nd again ... so they are probably 2 points ahead of us at the moment, so we know we need to be ahead of them 2 weeks on points races at least.

 

[<Tommy>]

Just catching up on the forum this morning…

Happy belated birthday Carl…

And bloody well done to all the ccc lads!!!

 

[<Tommy>]

The only thing that stopped Tommy taking full points on the KOM was that Jura had a guy drop back and blitz the climb while rested and, presumably, on a gravel bike.

I wonder if there’s any chance at all of them ever tweaking the segment point rules. Maybe I’m being a bit of a kill joy (?). But I just don’t see it as racing when I beat the front bunch to the top of the KOM in the fastest time, and someone else can spin around the course, swap bikes and attack it fresh as a daisy 20 minutes later to scoop the points. Just doesn’t make sense to me… #not that I’m bitter…

 

[Legs]

I think that a sensible rule would be to only score points for riders within X% of winner's time. 10% would have been reasonable for Tuesday's race - as much as it played in our favour, part of me thinks that what Michael, Bram and I did was 'not cricket'. I actually went into the pairing screen at one point because I was going downhill fast and wanted to slow down sufficiently for Bram and Michael to catch up well before the final sprint!

 

[bridgy]

I wonder if there’s any chance at all of them ever tweaking the segment point rules. Maybe I’m being a bit of a kill joy (?). But I just don’t see it as racing when I beat the front bunch to the top of the KOM in the fastest time, and someone else can spin around the course, swap bikes and attack it fresh as a daisy 20 minutes later to scoop the points. Just doesn’t make sense to me… #not that I’m bitter…

Yeah, while I think its good to have points for both FTS and FAL I don't know why they give more points for FTS. Seems logically the wrong way round to me

 

[<Tommy>]

I think that a sensible rule would be to only score points for riders within X% of winner's time. 10% would have been reasonable for Tuesday's race - as much as it played in our favour, part of me thinks that what Michael, Bram and I did was 'not cricket'. I actually went into the pairing screen at one point because I was going downhill fast and wanted to slow down sufficiently for Bram and Michael to catch up well before the final sprint!

That’s a good idea regarding finishing times.

I know what you mean regarding ‘not being cricket’. But it’s just the way it is at the moment isn’t it. I honestly think it’s a massive credit to you guys that you planned and delivered that finish to perfection. Don’t hate the players etc etc!

Ideally though they would just tweak it so everyone still felt they could fight for something, but not to the detriment of the people at the front maybe?

 

[mjd1988]

Yeah, while I think its good to have points for both FTS and FAL I don't know why they give more points for FTS. Seems logically the wrong way round to me

Yeah I agree that would make sense. I did like the tactical element but I was rewarding for getting dropped!

I also think they should go back to the finishing points being more and maybe bigger differences - 100 for the win, maybe 50 for 20th and rapidly downhill from that who knows. I did think it was right that they expanded finishing points at the time (used to be be only the top quarter or something) but with the explosion of segment points makes it all a bit silly.

Maybe even remove all points if you finish in bottom 10 or something, even if you had accumulated lots of points. I don't know how long they let you wait at the minute, can you take a days rest between each segment (being a bit ridiculous there but where is the line).

Anyway, we will play the system we are in but I agree it could be fairer

 

[steverob]

FTS points being bigger only makes sense with courses like the one coming up, where you are going through the same sprint five times. When it's four separate sprints like it was the other night, each with their own FTS, that's where it falls apart. Each sprint could essentially be worth 30 points (especially the early ones where the first across the line is almost certainly the fastest segment time as well) and there's four of them, yet winning the race is only worth 40pts total?

But then there's a whole bunch of strange things with the scoring system that I think need changing, but until they do you should pick your team and your tactics based on what gets you the most points, even if it seems counter-intuitive to do so.

 

[berty bassett]

It’s not my kind of riding , I like just trying to go as hard as I can for as long as I can without research or tactics - I understand this is wrong especially in this sort of set up
Not been paying too much attention but from what I gather you get points for having fastest sprint in certain areas regardless of position in the field - do you think it would be able to deduct position from points earnt on sprint ? Say if you were first in the sprint but 99th in field , you only get 1 out of 100 🤷‍♂️ Along them lines - it’s not like someone’s sitting there with pen and paper doing the sums- some genius only has to tap a few buttons and it’s sorted
Easy peasy
Any other problems be sure to get in touch and I will help 👍

 

[Legs]

Not been paying too much attention but from what I gather you get points for having fastest sprint in certain areas regardless of position in the field - do you think it would be able to deduct position from points earnt on sprint ? Say if you were first in the sprint but 99th in field , you only get 1 out of 100 🤷‍♂️

That is effectively what happens, because you sacrifice points for your position in the sprint, and in the race overall, by targeting just the FTS points.

Because even the lowest finishing position was worth 17 points in our race, winning the race outright for only 40 points wasn't such a big deal. It also emphasises the importance of a team getting 6 bodies into the starting pen and over the finish line.