Zwift Chat

[BurningLegs]

WTRL used to only award points for the top 30(?) finishing positions, but I prefer the fact that its a sliding scale down the finishing order because it gives everyone skin in the game. However, I don't like the fact that they bucket finishing positions together. I'd like to see every finishing position have a different point score (even one point different) so that if you're two up at the finish and fighting for second to last rather than last, that fight is worth an extra point.

I'm not a sprinter so my view on this is probably skewed, but I do think there should be more points on offer at the finish relative to the primes. In an ideal world it would be balanced in a way that good execution of different strategies would deliver a very similar points haul (e.g roll around and scoop up FTS vs focus on finishing positions outright vs focus on a mix of FAL and finishing) but I think that would be impossible to get right!

So next season I hope that they increase the points on offer at the finishing line, and award a unique value for every finishing position so it's always guaranteed to be worth a fight at the line.

 

[<Tommy>]

Another idea is a sliding scale. Where by the closer you get to the finish, the more prime points are worth. At the moment you have a situation where someone can put everything into a sprint right at the start of a race, knowing that’s their days work done.

 

[bridgy]

WTRL used to only award points for the top 30(?) finishing positions, but I prefer the fact that its a sliding scale down the finishing order because it gives everyone skin in the game. However, I don't like the fact that they bucket finishing positions together. I'd like to see every finishing position have a different point score (even one point different) so that if you're two up at the finish and fighting for second to last rather than last, that fight is worth an extra point.

I'm not a sprinter so my view on this is probably skewed, but I do think there should be more points on offer at the finish relative to the primes. In an ideal world it would be balanced in a way that good execution of different strategies would deliver a very similar points haul (e.g roll around and scoop up FTS vs focus on finishing positions outright vs focus on a mix of FAL and finishing) but I think that would be impossible to get right!

So next season I hope that they increase the points on offer at the finishing line, and award a unique value for every finishing position so it's always guaranteed to be worth a fight at the line.

As Tim mentioned, I think one of the issues that is exacerbating the problem is the tiering of finishing points is based on 80+ riders, while we only had 37. So coming last gets still you 15 points, whilst coming last in a field of 84+ riders would only be 1 point.

So in these smaller fields, targeting just one segment for a FTS time and pootling around to finish last by 5 minutes still gets you 35 points (20+15) - the same points as finishing 2nd overall does.

 

[bridgy]

Another idea is a sliding scale. Where by the closer you get to the finish, the more prime points are worth. At the moment you have a situation where someone can put everything into a sprint right at the start of a race, knowing that’s their days work done.

I'm pretty sure this is exactly what they did with segment points in the Premier League races last season - so someone at WTRL must have had the same thought, but for whatever reason, not applied it to the community races

 

[Randyberlin]

Easy peasy
Any other problems be sure to get in touch and I will help 👍

Say, would you mind doing @bobinski 's surgery? He is about to waste some money and time when I bet you could do it 1/2 price. Probably just need your drill and a small brad nail gun. You can YouTube it before hand. That's what his surgeon is doing right now.

 

[BurningLegs]

As Tim mentioned, I think one of the issues that is exacerbating the problem is the tiering of finishing points is based on 80+ riders, while we only had 37. So coming last gets still you 15 points, whilst coming last in a field of 84+ riders would only be 1 point.

This also makes it more important then ever to get all six riders over the line in a points race, doesn't it.

Its quite a big penalty to only finish with five or four!

 

[bridgy]

This also makes it more important then ever to get all six riders over the line in a points race, doesn't it.

Its quite a big penalty to only finish with five or four!

Good point! So if we're having problems getting 6 out any week we should just drag anyone off the street to make up the numbers

 

[BurningLegs]

I could ride in B if needed. With a target of not coming last 😆

Maybe no better than a random off the street actually now I think about it 🤔

 

[bobinski]

Say, would you mind doing @bobinski 's surgery? He is about to waste some money and time when I bet you could do it 1/2 price. Probably just need your drill and a small brad nail gun. You can YouTube it before hand. That's what his surgeon is doing right now.

😄

He would have to wear high heels to reach over the operating table. I am sure Health and Saftety would intervene on those grounds if not the risks associated with him doing the operation!

 

[steverob]

WTRL used to only award points for the top 30(?) finishing positions, but I prefer the fact that its a sliding scale down the finishing order because it gives everyone skin in the game. However, I don't like the fact that they bucket finishing positions together. I'd like to see every finishing position have a different point score (even one point different) so that if you're two up at the finish and fighting for second to last rather than last, that fight is worth an extra point.

I have no issue with the idea of the bucketed finishing positions, but the problem is they've got it arse about face. The smaller buckets should be at the top of the order, not the bottom - points should be awarded in a pyramidal fashion.

At present the top ten all get individual scores, though why there's a five point gap between the top 3, then one point gaps to 10th, followed by a three point gap to 11th is odd - I'd have spread those out to end up with something like 40, 35, 32, 30, 28, 26, 24, 23, 22, 21.

But then after that they come in buckets of 5 for no clear reason. These first few buckets should only have 2 or 3 riders in them max to make it more worthwhile to battle for those higher, but just outside the top ten positions. As you go further down the order, then you can start having larger buckets of 4 or 5 riders (probably that's as large as it should get though) but I wouldn't bring those in until you're well into lower placings, and I'm saying that as someone who would end up getting a lot less points this way!

Sorry for being a bit boring but a combination of taking Statistics at A level and an unhealthy obsession with game theory means that taking apart scoring systems is like catnip to me!

 

[berty bassett]

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He would have to wear high heels to reach over the operating table. I am sure Health and Saftety would intervene on those grounds if not the risks associated with him doing the operation!

Firstly - the wheely bed can go up or down to make it easier
Secondly - it’s only a bit of surgery , I’ve skinned plenty of rabbits
Thirdly - it’s Bob , might raise bed as high as possible to make it more challenging
And most importantly 1/2 price 😳 he’s from London - London prices mate
£20 all in

 

[berty bassett]

£15 cash last offer

 

[CXRAndy]

Whilst there can be improvement in the scoring system WRTL, I do like the fact it makes it inclusive for a variety of riders.

Our last race we picked certain riders to go for certain points, it worked mostly. Heavy riders for the sprints, lighter rider for Kom points.

No disrespect to Alex but he would have probably only gained a few more places overall and not got KOM, if he just raced to finish well.

We used the rules as is to benefit the team and enable Alex to score extra points, giving him a personal victory.

There are so many varied riders within each category and one could argue fellas racing in their late 50s is not fair against guys in the 20 through to 40s in age and age weighting should be included, but it becomes ever more so complicated

We have to accept these anomalies of the system, game it best and use our own talents to garner the greatest points.

Just my thoughts

 

[13 rider]

After last Thursday first time trail on zwift today I did my first race on zwift Kirckmair event in greater London . Just 6 starters in cat D . Hung on to the front group of 4 including me after a mad start which I was ready for . Had a little dig up an incline 6% got 2 seconds but was soon pulled back . Rode together to the bottom of box hill were all hell got let loose ,2 riders just rode away from me despite me doing 3wkg I dropped the 4th rider who just disappeared of screen so I presume he quit . I think I'm not a bad climber and did box hill in a pr of 11.30 . The lead rider took 2min56 off me just on box hill !!! and the other rider 1.30 . The gaps stayed the same until the finish as it was mainly downhill so difficult to close gaps .
Anyway results are up on zwift power and I've won again 😁 I presume like last week the first 2 have been dqed . Im right at the top of what's allowed in cat D, held 2.6wkg for 20 mins and normalized was 197w slightly down on last week time trail but a longer distance . I presume I will get bumped up to cat c soon

 

[CXRAndy]

I presume I will get bumped up to cat c soon

Well done, I suggest you have a go in a few shorter cat C events. Try your best to stick with the pack and this will bring you on in fitness. This will help promote you into C