Flying_Monkey
Recyclist
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- Odawa
About what?
But do you really think that fear is the best basis for a good society in which we'd all be happy living? How many nations in the world can you name where fear results in such a good society?
London riots
- Thread starter pawl
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About what?
But do you really think that fear is the best basis for a good society in which we'd all be happy living? How many nations in the world can you name where fear results in such a good society?
The Jogger
Legendary Member
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- Spain
Angelfishsolo
A Velocipedian
- Location
- Cwmbach, South Wales
About your solution to the mob problem.
Ok for starters most European Police are routinly armed. Morality should be the core of any society but when morality is gone and groups of youths terrorise neighbourhoods strong words are not a solution. Then we need a strong Police Force (not service) to give these fearists a reality check.
Archie_tect
De Skieven Architek... aka Penfold + Horace
- Location
- Northumberland
Then you are to be applauded!
Sometimes I assume you are implying or expressing an opinion when you aren't, I should have learnt by now to take each word literally and not to make such assumptions.
don't be ridiculous. She's too short!
Ashtrayhead
Über Member
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- Belvedere, Kent.
Bluebell72
New Member
- Location
- Hull, East Yorkshire
No posturing or irony. Being stateside, have you a full grasp of irony?
Rioting is terrorism, in plain English. Look at the people who are homeless/jobless as a result of the riots. They are terrorised by the actions of others.
Like the London bombings of July 2005, and the IRA campaign, people are terrorised into changing their behaviour, their daily route to work, mode of transport, the time they go out in the evening, or whether they go out at all.
That's terrorised in my book.
jonny jeez
Legendary Member
- Location
- Chislehurst, Kent, UK
so...after 25 pages what does seem clear is that none of us have the answer...so what hope do we have that another group of people, that are in a position to govern, will do either.
Perhaps these kids are smarter than we give credit.
Perhaps these kids are smarter than we give credit.
GrumpyGregry
Here for rides.
Angelfishsolo
A Velocipedian
- Location
- Cwmbach, South Wales
Amen to that!No posturing or irony. Being stateside, have you a full grasp of irony?
Rioting is terrorism, in plain English. Look at the people who are homeless/jobless as a result of the riots. They are terrorised by the actions of others.
Like the London bombings of July 2005, and the IRA campaign, people are terrorised into changing their behaviour, their daily route to work, mode of transport, the time they go out in the evening, or whether they go out at all.
That's terrorised in my book.
The Jogger
Legendary Member
- Location
- Spain
Just another form of mob rule...............
Hover Fly
Lazy so and so
- Location
- Besides the lake, beneath the trees
Or the shipwrights caught trying to sell a classified acoustic submarine tile to the Ruskies, or the draughtsman who was arrested at work after classified drawings of submarines went missing, or the electrician who was going to sabotage the nuclear reactor of a sub. (FFS! lucky he was caught in time.) That's just some of the ones we know about. All good working class "salt of the earth" types.
Night Train
Maker of Things
- Location
- Greater Manchester
I don't think a fear of punishment is the answer. There are always going to people who don't care about the punishment, no matter how bad it is and also those who work on the basis of not getting caught in the first place.
Neither extreme, of cuddles or gulag, is good and I think would probably lead to bigger problems further along the line.
A respect for the law and for the community might help but don't know how to get that back in to the minds of those who lack it.
I know when I worked with young offenders in hostels many really couldn't care less about their past or where they were going in the future. They also tended not to care about the consequences of their actions. Very few I met were regretful of their actions and hopeful for a better life.
I have no answers, then or now, but there was unrest only about 2-3 miles from me today.
I worry a little but on my street there are no shops to loot so I might be safe.
I'll be very aware of my folks going shopping though.
Neither extreme, of cuddles or gulag, is good and I think would probably lead to bigger problems further along the line.
A respect for the law and for the community might help but don't know how to get that back in to the minds of those who lack it.
I know when I worked with young offenders in hostels many really couldn't care less about their past or where they were going in the future. They also tended not to care about the consequences of their actions. Very few I met were regretful of their actions and hopeful for a better life.
I have no answers, then or now, but there was unrest only about 2-3 miles from me today.
I worry a little but on my street there are no shops to loot so I might be safe.
I'll be very aware of my folks going shopping though.
Flying_Monkey
Recyclist
- Location
- Odawa
Terrorism is defined by its aims not by the results. Volcanic eruptions terrify people but a volcanic eruption is not terrorism. Terrorism is defined as seeking to achieve political change through violence and intimidation. However terrifying these riots are, and I have no doubt that they are, the rioters are clearly not at all politically motivated, not are the riots directed at any particular political end.
Indeed, but just because people are afraid and change their behaviour, that still doesn't make the riots, 'terrorism'. You can't redefine words to suit you, they have meanings.
Cush
Veteran
- Location
- North Cumbria but still a Geordie
Night Train is right in what he says and has realy summed up the people and present situation. However we do some how have to protect our selves in the present and if that means building Gulags for now even though we know that they will created problems in the future so be it. It may at least give us a breathing space to sort some things out.
