UK SUV Petition

[sheddy]

Result https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-in-favour-of-tripling-parking-costs-for-suvs

 

[Jody]

Applies to "wealthy drivers" in SUV's / 4x4's but happens to include vehicles like a VW Passat estate or a Tesla model Y

 

[lazybloke]

Applies to "wealthy drivers" in SUV's / 4x4's but happens to include vehicles like a VW Passat estate or a Tesla model Y

The press bulletin i saw last night said fully electric vehicles where exempt, and for other cars the charge applies once weight is over 1.6 tons.

 

[Jody]

The press bulletin i saw last night said fully electric vehicles where exempt, and for other cars the charge applies once weight is over 1.6 tons.

Electric aside, the point is just weight is an odd thing to go after if targeting emissions.

A 1.4t passage estate is now within the higher charging bracket but an Impreza WRX is not. One does half the MPG (double the C02) of the other. So thr cleaner vehicle is penalised based on its curb weight.

 

[Jody]

The press bulletin i saw last night said fully electric vehicles where exempt, and for other cars the charge applies once weight is over 1.6 tons.

@icowden was correct that electric over 2 tonnes are charged. So the electric Model Y falls into the high pollution bracket but an Impreza WRX doesn't

 

[lazybloke]

@icowden was correct that electric over 2 tonnes are charged. So the electric Model Y falls into the high pollution bracket but an Impreza WRX doesn't

Imprezza's are a dying breed.



Clearly an anomaly to label evs as high polluting, assuming the measure is tailpipe emissions.

But maybe they have other criteria.

Large cars take up more space so cause more congestion and fill car parks inefficiently. I don't see any problem in encouraging people out of unnecessarily large & heavy cars.

 

[Hacienda71]

Electric aside, the point is just weight is an odd thing to go after if targeting emissions.

A 1.4t passage estate is now within the higher charging bracket but an Impreza WRX is not. One does half the MPG (double the C02) of the other. So thr cleaner vehicle is penalised based on its curb weight.

A 2.0 TDI Passat weighs 1.475 Tonnes so not chargeable.
Wonder why a smaller engine weighs 300kg more. 🤔

 

[Jody]

Imprezza's are a dying breed.



Clearly an anomaly to label evs as high polluting, assuming the measure is tailpipe emissions.

But maybe they have other criteria.

Large cars take up more space so cause more congestion and fill car parks inefficiently. I don't see any problem in encouraging people out of unnecessarily large & heavy cars.

A passat is a fairly run of the mill familly car. I wouldn't call it unnecessarily large or heavy.

 

[Jody]

A 2.0 TDI Passat weighs 1.475 Tonnes so not chargeable.
Wonder why a smaller engine weighs 300kg more. 🤔

Because its a plug in hybrid 🙄

Lower emissions car that gets penalised beyond that of it's more polluting diesel cousin

 

[Jody]

Imprezza's are a dying breed.

But a Model Y isn't and that's going to be penalised for being over 2 tonnes

 

[markemark]

All this does is highlight the arbitrary nature of defining cars based on dimensions and weight. My EV would just scrape into the fail category. But that's life and democracy.

 

[Hacienda71]

Because its a plug in hybrid 🙄

Lower emissions car that gets penalised beyond that of it's more polluting diesel cousin

That makes sense re weight.

 

[lazybloke]

But a Model Y isn't and that's going to be penalised for being over 2 tonnes

My guess would be that unnecessarily heavy cars might also be unnecessarily large cars.

Large cars reduce the capacity of roads and car parks, resulting in more congestion (and indirectly, emissions) plus more land given over to tarmac and concrete.

Far better to encourage use of smaller cars. And fewer cars.

 

[Jody]

My guess would be that unnecessarily heavy cars might also be unnecessarily large cars.

For comparison against a Ford Focus which is not an unnecessarily large car

 

[matticus]

All this does is highlight the arbitrary nature of defining cars based on dimensions and weight. My EV would just scrape into the fail category. But that's life and democracy.

Yes, it's a fact of life that most traffic/road laws are arbitrary.

Speed limits? Stupid law -80 on a dry motorway is safer than 69 in snow!
Emissions? Stupid way to tax cars, emissions depend on the weight of your right foot.
Drink driving? Stupid law, blood alcohol levels are a terrible guide to safe driving.

Yup, let's scrap any rule with an arbitrary number in it. Just tell everyone to use Common Sense!