20 mph urban limits coming.
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tdr1nka
Taking the biscuit
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- SE London, Bandit Country
I'm still astonished that in this 'modern' world to suggest something that might be beneficial to everyone's safety and social well being constitutes having a Socialist or Communist agenda.
I'll wager that drivers who shout down measures such as this are the self same people who complain loudly and harass staff when they don't get seen within 10mins of arriving at A&E.
I'll wager that drivers who shout down measures such as this are the self same people who complain loudly and harass staff when they don't get seen within 10mins of arriving at A&E.
My sons' school has 20mph limits either side and I can understand the frustration of people using the area outside of school time and the weekend. However even in school hours, the muppets who continue to do 30mph + are still there. Enforcement is the key. As is funding. One of the reasons that they do not have a variable rate speed sign outside the school is the cost. We are getting one, but only by virtue of it being paid by a local oil company as part of their work in the community.
domtyler said:
Horses for courses IMO. A target in a business environment is perfectly fine and serves its purpose. Saying you have a target of a number of deaths is unacceptable - these are people's lives we are talkiing about here. What you're implicitely saying is it is okay for people to die on the roads. It isn't. There should be zero tolerance in this area and a change in language is required to prevent the incorrect interpretation. In real terms the goal is to have zero deaths on the roads. End of.
Tetedelacourse
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- Rosyth
What happens if I drive between 2 average speed cameras at greater than the limit? Does the 2nd one take a pic? Should I expect a letter through the door after a few weeks? Is it still effective if I change lanes?
Just wondering how they work really.
A lower limit around schools is seems sensible to me.
Dom, sounds like the machine you're after is... a person. What's more, they should be mobile so as to be able to monitor different situations, and they should have zero emissions, and there should be some sort of mechanism for these machines to share and debate examples of dangerous driving, preferably online. If only such a thing existed.
All we need is for cyclists (well, all the ones who cycle like me anyway) to be given powers to enforce road safety as and when we deem necessary.
Just wondering how they work really.
A lower limit around schools is seems sensible to me.
Dom, sounds like the machine you're after is... a person. What's more, they should be mobile so as to be able to monitor different situations, and they should have zero emissions, and there should be some sort of mechanism for these machines to share and debate examples of dangerous driving, preferably online. If only such a thing existed.
All we need is for cyclists (well, all the ones who cycle like me anyway) to be given powers to enforce road safety as and when we deem necessary.
Vision Zero was adopted by the Swedish Parliament in 1997 and has
taken road safety in a new direction by emphasising that:
road safety is an ethical issue and deaths and serious injuries are
not acceptable
society does not expect people to die or be seriously injured while
flying or while working and it should be the same with using roads
it is possible to design the road environment and vehicles to make
sure that any ‘mistakes’ that are made do not result in death
Sweden is the only country in the world to move in this direction,
though others are considering adopting the Swedish approach.
The Stockholm Environment Institute's report was based on detailed
evidence gathering which included interviews with key policy makers
and officials in Sweden, interviews with European stakeholders, focus
groups with over 200 people in 15 locations in England and an on-line
survey of UK road safety professionals.
The report concludes that:
Vision Zero has had a significant impact on re-invigorating efforts to
eliminate deaths and serious injuries on the roads in Sweden
Vision Zero is generally welcomed by citizens in the UK who see it as
a goal which road safety policy should aim to achieve
Policy makers and professionals in the UK are less enthusiastic about
Vision Zero
Vision Zero has the potential to produce in the UK cumulative benefits
of approximately £100 billion over a 10-year period.
Vision Zero has the potential to deliver on a large number of policy
objectives including reducing air pollution, greenhouse gases, road
traffic danger and improving the quality of life and sustainability of
our communities.
Respondents to the on-line survey identified some potential problems
including the lack of realism in the Vision Zero concept and the
unacceptability of large scale barrier segregation on highways
"Our report looks in detail at the radical new direction in road
safety set by Swedish politicians and professionals, and concludes
that it has a lot to offer Britain"
Professor John WhiteleggProfessor John Whitelegg, of the Stockholm
Environment Institute at York, said: "Swedish road safety policy is
based on the maxim that the only acceptable level of death on the
roads is zero. Our report looks in detail at the radical new direction
in road safety set by Swedish politicians and professionals, and
concludes that it has a lot to offer Britain.
"Setting a target of zero has the potential to galvanise action on
every front and in every profession and simply transfers everyday
practice in aviation to the road environment. Our research shows that
the public are ready to move in this direction and want decision
makers and policy makers to be much bolder in eliminating death and
serious injury from the road environment"
The report recommends five key policy areas to secure improved
performance in road safety:
Speed control (20mph in all urban areas)
Accident investigation agency modelled on the Swedish experience and
independent of the police
Law reform to deal with citizen concern about severe outcomes being
dealt with ‘leniently’
Road traffic reduction
Urban design to lock in danger reduction for vulnerable users
http://www.york.ac.uk/admin/presspr/pressreleases/zerotolerance.htm
taken road safety in a new direction by emphasising that:
road safety is an ethical issue and deaths and serious injuries are
not acceptable
society does not expect people to die or be seriously injured while
flying or while working and it should be the same with using roads
it is possible to design the road environment and vehicles to make
sure that any ‘mistakes’ that are made do not result in death
Sweden is the only country in the world to move in this direction,
though others are considering adopting the Swedish approach.
The Stockholm Environment Institute's report was based on detailed
evidence gathering which included interviews with key policy makers
and officials in Sweden, interviews with European stakeholders, focus
groups with over 200 people in 15 locations in England and an on-line
survey of UK road safety professionals.
The report concludes that:
Vision Zero has had a significant impact on re-invigorating efforts to
eliminate deaths and serious injuries on the roads in Sweden
Vision Zero is generally welcomed by citizens in the UK who see it as
a goal which road safety policy should aim to achieve
Policy makers and professionals in the UK are less enthusiastic about
Vision Zero
Vision Zero has the potential to produce in the UK cumulative benefits
of approximately £100 billion over a 10-year period.
Vision Zero has the potential to deliver on a large number of policy
objectives including reducing air pollution, greenhouse gases, road
traffic danger and improving the quality of life and sustainability of
our communities.
Respondents to the on-line survey identified some potential problems
including the lack of realism in the Vision Zero concept and the
unacceptability of large scale barrier segregation on highways
"Our report looks in detail at the radical new direction in road
safety set by Swedish politicians and professionals, and concludes
that it has a lot to offer Britain"
Professor John WhiteleggProfessor John Whitelegg, of the Stockholm
Environment Institute at York, said: "Swedish road safety policy is
based on the maxim that the only acceptable level of death on the
roads is zero. Our report looks in detail at the radical new direction
in road safety set by Swedish politicians and professionals, and
concludes that it has a lot to offer Britain.
"Setting a target of zero has the potential to galvanise action on
every front and in every profession and simply transfers everyday
practice in aviation to the road environment. Our research shows that
the public are ready to move in this direction and want decision
makers and policy makers to be much bolder in eliminating death and
serious injury from the road environment"
The report recommends five key policy areas to secure improved
performance in road safety:
Speed control (20mph in all urban areas)
Accident investigation agency modelled on the Swedish experience and
independent of the police
Law reform to deal with citizen concern about severe outcomes being
dealt with ‘leniently’
Road traffic reduction
Urban design to lock in danger reduction for vulnerable users
http://www.york.ac.uk/admin/presspr/pressreleases/zerotolerance.htm
Mr Pig
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- North Lanarkshire
spindrift said:
Ha ha ha :0) So only highly intelligent people will be allowed to drive after many years of training? Roads in Glasgow would be empty! And will cars have two drivers in case one gets ill or something?
What about a 'black box' to record what happens in a crash? If they can make the black box tough enough to survive a plane crash why don't they just make the whole plane the same way?
tdr1nka
Taking the biscuit
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- SE London, Bandit Country
Trillian said:
When I had my epic angle grinder accident and went to Lewisham A&E, I was seen and sewn up in a monumentally fast 2hrs after arrival. This was because the nurses admitted to bumping me up the queue simply for being quiet, polite and patient('scuse pun).
During that two hours I saw the Police called to remove 2 people who had previously been banned from the hospital for being violent and and I was seen before a voiciferous young lady who thought she'd get seen sooner by threatening to walk out!
PrettyboyTim
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- Brighton
Tetedelacourse said:
When you pass by a camera, it takes a picture of your number plate and runs it through a character recognition program to read it. It also notes the time the picture was taken. These results get sent to a central database. If another record comes in of your car from another camera, it determines the time between the pictures and compares that to its records on the distance between the cameras. From this it can calculate your average speed between the two cameras, and penalise you if neccesary.
I would be interested to know how long these records will be held and who will be able to access them. Get these cameras all over a metropolitain area, and suddenly the state will be able to monitor the movements of any motorist in the area.
For instance, I would prefer a system to discard any records more than an hour old, but my guess is that they will stick around a lot longer than that.
