domtyler
Über Member
mickle said:A target of 2000 deaths? Shouldn't the target be zero?
I think it is a good thing to have realistically attainable targets. Having a target of zero, not being achievable may make people not bother to try.
mickle said:A target of 2000 deaths? Shouldn't the target be zero?
spindrift said:Did you read the speed apologists comments?
There's the twatty old "red flag" remark, and comparisons with Stalin.
That's great. It drowns the speed apologists' argument about it being quieter in the evenings.
No-one should be passing a school at over 20mph anyway while it is open.
domtyler said:I think it is a good thing to have realistically attainable targets. Having a target of zero, not being achievable may make people not bother to try.
ChrisKH said:Horses for courses IMO. A target in a business environment is perfectly fine and serves its purpose. Saying you have a target of a number of deaths is unacceptable - these are people's lives we are talkiing about here. What you're implicitely saying is it is okay for people to die on the roads. It isn't. There should be zero tolerance in this area and a change in language is required to prevent the incorrect interpretation. In real terms the goal is to have zero deaths on the roads. End of.
spindrift said:Vision Zero was adopted by the Swedish Parliament in 1997 and has
taken road safety in a new direction by emphasising that:
road safety is an ethical issue and deaths and serious injuries are
not acceptable
society does not expect people to die or be seriously injured while
flying or while working and it should be the same with using roads
it is possible to design the road environment and vehicles to make
sure that any ‘mistakes’ that are made do not result in death
Sweden is the only country in the world to move in this direction,
though others are considering adopting the Swedish approach.
The Stockholm Environment Institute's report was based on detailed
evidence gathering which included interviews with key policy makers
and officials in Sweden, interviews with European stakeholders, focus
groups with over 200 people in 15 locations in England and an on-line
survey of UK road safety professionals.
The report concludes that:
Vision Zero has had a significant impact on re-invigorating efforts to
eliminate deaths and serious injuries on the roads in Sweden
Vision Zero is generally welcomed by citizens in the UK who see it as
a goal which road safety policy should aim to achieve
Policy makers and professionals in the UK are less enthusiastic about
Vision Zero
Vision Zero has the potential to produce in the UK cumulative benefits
of approximately £100 billion over a 10-year period.
Vision Zero has the potential to deliver on a large number of policy
objectives including reducing air pollution, greenhouse gases, road
traffic danger and improving the quality of life and sustainability of
our communities.
Respondents to the on-line survey identified some potential problems
including the lack of realism in the Vision Zero concept and the
unacceptability of large scale barrier segregation on highways
"Our report looks in detail at the radical new direction in road
safety set by Swedish politicians and professionals, and concludes
that it has a lot to offer Britain"
Professor John WhiteleggProfessor John Whitelegg, of the Stockholm
Environment Institute at York, said: "Swedish road safety policy is
based on the maxim that the only acceptable level of death on the
roads is zero. Our report looks in detail at the radical new direction
in road safety set by Swedish politicians and professionals, and
concludes that it has a lot to offer Britain.
"Setting a target of zero has the potential to galvanise action on
every front and in every profession and simply transfers everyday
practice in aviation to the road environment. Our research shows that
the public are ready to move in this direction and want decision
makers and policy makers to be much bolder in eliminating death and
serious injury from the road environment"
The report recommends five key policy areas to secure improved
performance in road safety:
Speed control (20mph in all urban areas)
Accident investigation agency modelled on the Swedish experience and
independent of the police
Law reform to deal with citizen concern about severe outcomes being
dealt with ‘leniently’
Road traffic reduction
Urban design to lock in danger reduction for vulnerable users
http://www.york.ac.uk/admin/presspr/pressreleases/zerotolerance.htm
spindrift said:..and simply transfers everyday practise in aviation to the road environment.
Mr Pig said:If they can make the black box tough enough to survive a plane crash why don't they just make the whole plane the same way?
tdr1nka said:I'm still astonished that in this 'modern' world to suggest something that might be beneficial to everyone's safety and social well being constitutes having a Socialist or Communist agenda.
I'll wager that drivers who shout down measures such as this are the self same people who complain loudly and harass staff when they don't get seen within 10mins of arriving at A&E.
Trillian said:my gf wishes she was allowed to sedate them until their turn to be seen!
Tetedelacourse said:What happens if I drive between 2 average speed cameras at greater than the limit? Does the 2nd one take a pic? Should I expect a letter through the door after a few weeks? Is it still effective if I change lanes?
Just wondering how they work really.