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2015 Rugby World Cup **Potential spoilers**
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I see the baiting and subsequent slanging match has continued despite my request earlier. Some content has been removed and I'm prepared to thread ban anyone who carries on after this point.
I see the baiting and subsequent slanging match has continued despite my request earlier. Some content has been removed and I'm prepared to thread ban anyone who carries on after this point.
AndyRM
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England should bin Lancaster (and a fair number of their 'players').
Despite Scotland's gubbing, we could still top the group. Unlikely I know, but at least we're still in it.
Despite Scotland's gubbing, we could still top the group. Unlikely I know, but at least we're still in it.
jefmcg
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They can watch it live, if they like. There are going to be some cheap tickets available.
GrumpyGregry
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I suggest anyone who loves England Rugby and wants to know what should be done should go and buy a copy of "The Rugby Paper" and read Nick Cain's inquest, or "The Sunday Times" and read Stephen Jones.
Lancaster was appointed as a result of the RFU sleight of hand which saw Rob Andrew appointed into a role which was then downgraded when it became apparent Andrew couldn't fill it. Lancaster never had, and never will have, the credentials of an elite level national coach. Until that game in 2013 he'd never ever before been to the Millennium Stadium for Pete's sake. Getting a club promoted from the Championship and relegated next season doesn't cut it. His assistant coaches have weak credentials too; Andy Farrell, Mike Catt don't cut it.
Some claim Lancaster hasn't had enough time but he's had nearly twice as many games in charge as Woodward had before his World Cup.
After the Uruguay game the RFU need to give everyone a week or so in which to resign or, in the case of certain players, to announce their retirement from international rugby and then the axe needs to fall, on those too obstinate to walk, the stupid No Players Playing Overseas rule needs to go, and Sam Burgess needs to go back to Bath and continue to learn how to be a flanker.
Lancaster was appointed as a result of the RFU sleight of hand which saw Rob Andrew appointed into a role which was then downgraded when it became apparent Andrew couldn't fill it. Lancaster never had, and never will have, the credentials of an elite level national coach. Until that game in 2013 he'd never ever before been to the Millennium Stadium for Pete's sake. Getting a club promoted from the Championship and relegated next season doesn't cut it. His assistant coaches have weak credentials too; Andy Farrell, Mike Catt don't cut it.
Some claim Lancaster hasn't had enough time but he's had nearly twice as many games in charge as Woodward had before his World Cup.
After the Uruguay game the RFU need to give everyone a week or so in which to resign or, in the case of certain players, to announce their retirement from international rugby and then the axe needs to fall, on those too obstinate to walk, the stupid No Players Playing Overseas rule needs to go, and Sam Burgess needs to go back to Bath and continue to learn how to be a flanker.
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gavroche
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GrumpyGregry
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I'm now switching my allegiance to Wales, Land of My Fathers(in law), and Land of My Children, btw.
Don't suppose it will be a long campaign but finger crossed
Don't suppose it will be a long campaign but finger crossed
martint235
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Good post Greg. I'm amazed that knowing from personal experience how hard the transition is from RL great to RU, Andy Farrell still signed up to the Burgess project. Add in that Mike Ford at Bath doesn't think Burgess is a centre and may make a passable flanker, what on earth have England been doing? This switching from RL is something we've copied from the Southern Hemisphere sides but we don't play rugby like they do so why do we expect what they do to work for us? Even in the Southern Hemisphere, I suspect there are a lot of converts who don't cut it and disappear quietly into obscurity. Players like SBW, Israel Folau etc are rarer than hen's teeth. I think to date in England, we've had Jason Robinson and that's it. I certainly don't believe Farrell Senior managed it. Jonathan Davies (the little one) also managed it.
I am tempted to give the coaching staff another go but there needs to be a review and then after that review they need to be interviewed with the question "Right, now what are you going to do differently? And where's the plan that takes us short term into the next 6 Nations and then year by year into the next RWC". Any duff answers and you're out the door
Fubar
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Really good post - I have to say some of the comments that passed was as "banter" from current and former players didn't help their cause I.e. Burgess, Cipriani, etc.
GrumpyGregry
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We can do it your way, but the exam question has to be "Win the 2016 Six Nations or you are out.."
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I can't see how anyone could argue that Lancaster has had insufficient time. We were told repeatedly that uneven six nations displays were the necessary sacrifice for a successful world cup. He should go.
Poacher
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Are you there, @Fnaar?
gavroche
Getting old but not past it
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Not at all. I support France first, then Wales.
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Wafer
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I'll give Lancaster some credit, he took over at a time when things were at a low ebb and England have certainly improved, but I'm convinced he can't take them further. The mess of selection for this world cup says it all, little point going over it more because pretty much everyone has been saying it all along anyway!
I can take losing, its part of sport, but to get things so wrong....
I don't especially blame the players and honestly believe they tried their hardest. The fact some of them shouldn't have been there in the first place is hardly their fault...
Just hope England keep their mitts off Rob Baxter
Though I don't think he'd be in serious contention, not yet anyway.
Ironically I'm probably now supporting Australia and hoping Dean Mumm lives the dream that led to him leaving Exeter. Also think they look the strongest of the tournament so far anyway, but it will be interesting to see how Ireland and France go against each other. The All Blacks will be a bit nervous of facing France in the quarters if that's how it works out, it wouldn't take a team much better than Georgia were on Friday to beat them!
The rest of the world cup will be less interesting, but I'm licking my lips at the potential prospect of watching SA v ABs in the 1st semi
I can take losing, its part of sport, but to get things so wrong....
I don't especially blame the players and honestly believe they tried their hardest. The fact some of them shouldn't have been there in the first place is hardly their fault...
Just hope England keep their mitts off Rob Baxter
Though I don't think he'd be in serious contention, not yet anyway.Ironically I'm probably now supporting Australia and hoping Dean Mumm lives the dream that led to him leaving Exeter. Also think they look the strongest of the tournament so far anyway, but it will be interesting to see how Ireland and France go against each other. The All Blacks will be a bit nervous of facing France in the quarters if that's how it works out, it wouldn't take a team much better than Georgia were on Friday to beat them!
The rest of the world cup will be less interesting, but I'm licking my lips at the potential prospect of watching SA v ABs in the 1st semi
