A return to rim brakes and surprised how poor they are

[fossyant]

You've obviously got some crap brakes then. Change the pads as a minimum. I'm even using old Single pivot (OK Dura Ace and Shimano 600) but they stop on a sixpence, and I'm only using clarkes pads.

 

[Ming the Merciless]

You have to undo a thru axle which takes longer that a QR. Team cars now seem to prefer a full bike change and sort out the wheel at their leisure, rather than undo a Thu axle at the side of the road.

Not all disc brakes are thru axle. QR disc brake wheels are quicker to take out and put back than rim brakes.

 

[Eziemnaik]

Yeah, but not a single team is using qr

 

[T4tomo]

Not all disc brakes are thru axle. QR disc brake wheels are quicker to take out and put back than rim brakes.

There are no teams at all in the pro-peloton running QR disc brakes, which is what the post you've selectively quoted from was about. Frames produced for QR disc brakes were a relatively short lived thing (I know i've got one on a gravel bike) before the Thru axle was "invented" and became standard (although there are different standards of TA which is another thing stopping a universal solution on the service bike).

I'd be very surprised if you can link to a bike on sale today that has disc brakes and QR skewers......

OP I'd defo change brake pads, something is wrong.

 

[T.M.H.N.E.T]

Also not every thru axle standard or thread is equal.. The industry slipped

 

[Teamfixed]

Call me a luddite but discs just look wrong and in the words of CB during last years TDF ... "disc brakes are trying to solve a problem that does not exist"

 

[Ming the Merciless]

There are no teams at all in the pro-peloton running QR disc brakes, which is what the post you've selectively quoted from was about. Frames produced for QR disc brakes were a relatively short lived thing (I know i've got one on a gravel bike) before the Thru axle was "invented" and became standard (although there are different standards of TA which is another thing stopping a universal solution on the service bike).

I'd be very surprised if you can link to a bike on sale today that has disc brakes and QR skewers......

OP I'd defo change brake pads, something is wrong.

Where did pro teams suddenly come in to it? They have about as much relevance to the everyday as F1 does to changing wheels on a car.

 

[T4tomo]

Where did pro teams suddenly come in to it? They have about as much relevance to the everyday as F1 does to changing wheels on a car.

err that's what was being referred to in my post and others.... I'm not sure if you are being deliberately pedantic, or just don't read posts before replying. I agree speed of wheel change is only an issue in pro cycling, hence the discussion, where disc brakes are causing a real issue , due to speed of change and differing TA standard between manufacturers.

you also see to contradict yourself:

You drop the wheel in and out like a good un rather than needing to undo a QR brake release like with rim brakes. You also don’t get that horrible grinding noise of rim brakes.

Not all disc brakes are thru axle. QR disc brake wheels are quicker to take out and put back than rim brakes.

you seem to have found a bike that has disc brakes and neither QR or TA's but is very quick to change wheel. I'd contact a few pro teams immediately, you could make a quick buck...

 

[rogerzilla]

Where did pro teams suddenly come in to it? They have about as much relevance to the everyday as F1 does to changing wheels on a car.

Because, as well as selling chemicals, Israel, cooker hoods and bathroom fittings, they are there to sell bike gear.

 

[Ming the Merciless]

err that's what was being referred to in my post and others.... I'm not sure if you are being deliberately pedantic, or just don't read posts before replying. I agree speed of wheel change is only an issue in pro cycling, hence the discussion, where disc brakes are causing a real issue , due to speed of change and differing TA standard between manufacturers.

you also see to contradict yourself:


you seem to have found a bike that has disc brakes and neither QR or TA's but is very quick to change wheel. I'd contact a few pro teams immediately, you could make a quick buck...

Eh, I specifically said a QR disc brake wheel. Dropping out the wheel and putting it back is quicker than a rim brakes wheel. The experiences of pros in a race with team mechanics and cars are not relevant to your or my experience out in the road.

You clearly do not know what a QR brake release is, which is not the QR that goes through the axle.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Call me a luddite but discs just look wrong

Discs are fugly is an undeniable truth (takes cover behind sofa).

Otherwise, is it acceptable to say that modern disc and rim brakes are both very good and there are pros and cons either way?

Personally I'd prefer rims on a day bike, could go either way on a commuter but probably discs, and discs on a MTB.

And there are other brakes too - I would not have anything other than a drum brake as third brake on the tandem.

 

[PapaZita]

It’s interesting that all three Grand Tours last year were won on rim brakes. Despite that, and despite my previously stated slight preference for rim brakes, if I were wanting to ride carbon rims down mountains, possibly in the rain, I’d choose disc brakes in a flash.

I’m not convinced that CF is a good material for rims, but people seem to like it. Rim brakes on carbon braking surfaces is a recipe for disaster. I suspect that has been a major driver for disc brake adoption amongst pro teams.

 

[T4tomo]

One day, if my bike gets nicked, I'll consider replacing it with one with discs. But as my frame won't take discs it's a subject I can remain aloof from. In the meantime, my rim brakes stop me just fine And they eat my rims

Sadly, the way its going is that trying to buy a decent road bike with rim brakes is getting harder and harder. In the dry weather I prefer my rim braked road bike (s). in the wet, the disc are more reliable but disc aren't noiseless in the wet, they grate as a much as rims when they get splashed with road grit and debris, except its only wearing down a cheaper rotor rather than an expensive wheel..

That said a rim isn't that expensive, if using handbuilt wheels rather than stock factory stuff with fancy spokes, then replacing a rim onto an existing hub, isnt too much of an expense. but with fancy carbon wheels, whether will alu or carbon braking surface, then I can see the attraction of disc brakes.

 

[MrGrumpy]

swiss stop pads on my rim braked bike and I have no issues stopping in the dry, very smartish! In the wet a different matter but you just have to allow for that. Even worse is carbon rims in the wet !

 

[DCBassman]

They are very quiet, easy to take wheels on and off and are less sensitive to the "buggeration" factor, but as far as do they stop me they are less effective vs discs, no two ways about it.

I improved my rim brakes by 50% just by taking the wheels off and giving the rims and pads a good going-over with IPA (no, not the beer...). Surprised how big it difference it made and continues to make. At the time, I'd also a hydraulic disc-ed mtb to play with, and there really wasn't a lot in it.