Amazing woman
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Tetedelacourse
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Middle Wallop?!
cisamcgu
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The army nominated her for a Pride of Britain Award in recognition of her "displaying complete disregard for her personal safety" in tackling the blaze
Now, I am not decrying her bravery for one second, but surely the army has awards of its own - medals I believe they are called. If she is deserving of some recognition, then I would have thought that they could have sorted it out themselves.
Just a thought
Now, I am not decrying her bravery for one second, but surely the army has awards of its own - medals I believe they are called. If she is deserving of some recognition, then I would have thought that they could have sorted it out themselves.
Just a thought
Tetedelacourse
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They probably court-martialed her for "displaying complete disregard for her personal safety".
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betty swollocks
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Thanks for your ermm interesting perspectives.
andy_wrx
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She "went into the burning factory alone last year to tackle the blaze with two fire extinguishers."
Make yer mind up, she was either alone or with two fire extinguishers.
- perhaps they mean using...
Make yer mind up, she was either alone or with two fire extinguishers.
- perhaps they mean using...
If the fire brigade thought it too dangerous to enter the building, what made her think she should go in? As a bomb disposal "expert" surely the first thought should be hers and everyone else's safety. As it turned out she lived and is now a " heroine" it could of all been so different.
Jacomus-rides-Gen
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Why should her family be compensated (if she were killed or injured)?
She chose the job, she chose to go into the building. Even if by family you mean her direct dependents, it is still a very difficult issue. She still chose the job, and still chose to put herself in harms way.
Would you expect a test drivers family to be compensated if they were killed doing their job? How about a merchant sailor swept overboard in a storm, should their family be compensated?
Yes, if the people in charge of them made an error that led to a preventable death, but not if the person chose of their own free will.
She chose the job, she chose to go into the building. Even if by family you mean her direct dependents, it is still a very difficult issue. She still chose the job, and still chose to put herself in harms way.
Would you expect a test drivers family to be compensated if they were killed doing their job? How about a merchant sailor swept overboard in a storm, should their family be compensated?
Yes, if the people in charge of them made an error that led to a preventable death, but not if the person chose of their own free will.
Tim Bennet.
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There isn't much 'generosity of spirit' in this thread is there? Traditionally, as a society we have had a 'covenant' with the armed forces (and the Police, fire service, rescue, personnel, etc) that says if they volunteer to do for us (society) that which we aren't willing to do ourselves, we will, in return, look after them and their own should things go wrong.
In another thread, loads of people criticised the two CSOs for failing to risk their own lives by refusing to go into a lake in the futile hope of rescuing a kid a few months back. Many people reacted against the CSOs actions that day because they felt, they had breached their side of the covenant. So what do you want these people to do: act or do nothing?
Although the appointment of half trained people to the police has muddied the water somewhat, we, as a society are in danger of ruining the traditionally more enduring relationship we have had with the armed forces. Destroy this covenant and you will have nothing more than a mercenary army. perhaps that's what people want, but it is distinctly different from a national volunteer army and the change shouldn't take place without a debate. It certainly shouldn't occur because of resentment against the decisions of their political masters. If anything it should be stronger.
We in society, collectively have a duty of care to these people, as we all employ them on our behalf. We should ensure those responsible for discharging this duty (the politicians) should do it better. We have allowed them to degrade the housing, medical facilities, rehabilitation, mail services, and other key components of the forces service conditions without challenge. Another key component of these 'conditions of service' has been the rewards and recognition system. This has always included tokens of appreciation from the civilian community and this occasion is no different. If it doesn't mean anything to you, then walk on by. But at least see it as part of a big picture.
In another thread, loads of people criticised the two CSOs for failing to risk their own lives by refusing to go into a lake in the futile hope of rescuing a kid a few months back. Many people reacted against the CSOs actions that day because they felt, they had breached their side of the covenant. So what do you want these people to do: act or do nothing?
Although the appointment of half trained people to the police has muddied the water somewhat, we, as a society are in danger of ruining the traditionally more enduring relationship we have had with the armed forces. Destroy this covenant and you will have nothing more than a mercenary army. perhaps that's what people want, but it is distinctly different from a national volunteer army and the change shouldn't take place without a debate. It certainly shouldn't occur because of resentment against the decisions of their political masters. If anything it should be stronger.
We in society, collectively have a duty of care to these people, as we all employ them on our behalf. We should ensure those responsible for discharging this duty (the politicians) should do it better. We have allowed them to degrade the housing, medical facilities, rehabilitation, mail services, and other key components of the forces service conditions without challenge. Another key component of these 'conditions of service' has been the rewards and recognition system. This has always included tokens of appreciation from the civilian community and this occasion is no different. If it doesn't mean anything to you, then walk on by. But at least see it as part of a big picture.
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betty swollocks
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Very eloquently put Tim: I agree wholeheartedly.
