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Amazing woman

Discussion in 'CycleChat Cafe' started by betty swollocks, 9 Oct 2007.

  1. betty swollocks

    betty swollocks large member

  2. Tetedelacourse

    Tetedelacourse New Member

    Middle Wallop?!
  3. cisamcgu

    cisamcgu Veteran

    The army nominated her for a Pride of Britain Award in recognition of her "displaying complete disregard for her personal safety" in tackling the blaze

    Now, I am not decrying her bravery for one second, but surely the army has awards of its own - medals I believe they are called. If she is deserving of some recognition, then I would have thought that they could have sorted it out themselves.

    Just a thought :biggrin:
  4. Tetedelacourse

    Tetedelacourse New Member

    They probably court-martialed her for "displaying complete disregard for her personal safety".
  5. Globalti

    Globalti Legendary Member

    Interesting picture - is she sitting on McGregor's lap? What's the terracotta army doing parked in the background?
  6. betty swollocks

    betty swollocks large member

    Thanks for your ermm interesting perspectives.:biggrin:
  7. She "went into the burning factory alone last year to tackle the blaze with two fire extinguishers."

    Make yer mind up, she was either alone or with two fire extinguishers.
    - perhaps they mean using...
  8. Paulus

    Paulus Getting older by the minute

    If the fire brigade thought it too dangerous to enter the building, what made her think she should go in? As a bomb disposal "expert" surely the first thought should be hers and everyone else's safety. As it turned out she lived and is now a " heroine" it could of all been so different.
  9. Paulus

    Paulus Getting older by the minute


    Somewhere in Hampshire.
  10. buggi

    buggi Bird Saviour

    yea, if she'd been killed they'd probably refuse to pay any compo to her family saying it was her own fault or something.
  11. gavintc

    gavintc Guru

    With lots of helicopters.
  12. Jacomus-rides-Gen

    Jacomus-rides-Gen New Member

    Guildford / London
    Why should her family be compensated (if she were killed or injured)?

    She chose the job, she chose to go into the building. Even if by family you mean her direct dependents, it is still a very difficult issue. She still chose the job, and still chose to put herself in harms way.

    Would you expect a test drivers family to be compensated if they were killed doing their job? How about a merchant sailor swept overboard in a storm, should their family be compensated?

    Yes, if the people in charge of them made an error that led to a preventable death, but not if the person chose of their own free will.
  13. Big Bren

    Big Bren New Member

    Interesting that in almost every other workplace, displaying a complete disregard for ones own personal safety would be rewarded with disciplinary action but in the Army, it gets you an award.

  14. Tim Bennet.

    Tim Bennet. Entirely Average Member

    S of Kendal
    There isn't much 'generosity of spirit' in this thread is there? Traditionally, as a society we have had a 'covenant' with the armed forces (and the Police, fire service, rescue, personnel, etc) that says if they volunteer to do for us (society) that which we aren't willing to do ourselves, we will, in return, look after them and their own should things go wrong.

    In another thread, loads of people criticised the two CSOs for failing to risk their own lives by refusing to go into a lake in the futile hope of rescuing a kid a few months back. Many people reacted against the CSOs actions that day because they felt, they had breached their side of the covenant. So what do you want these people to do: act or do nothing?

    Although the appointment of half trained people to the police has muddied the water somewhat, we, as a society are in danger of ruining the traditionally more enduring relationship we have had with the armed forces. Destroy this covenant and you will have nothing more than a mercenary army. perhaps that's what people want, but it is distinctly different from a national volunteer army and the change shouldn't take place without a debate. It certainly shouldn't occur because of resentment against the decisions of their political masters. If anything it should be stronger.

    We in society, collectively have a duty of care to these people, as we all employ them on our behalf. We should ensure those responsible for discharging this duty (the politicians) should do it better. We have allowed them to degrade the housing, medical facilities, rehabilitation, mail services, and other key components of the forces service conditions without challenge. Another key component of these 'conditions of service' has been the rewards and recognition system. This has always included tokens of appreciation from the civilian community and this occasion is no different. If it doesn't mean anything to you, then walk on by. But at least see it as part of a big picture.
  15. betty swollocks

    betty swollocks large member

    Very eloquently put Tim: I agree wholeheartedly.