An open letter to all condescending male chauvinist cyclists

[mjr]

BTW, men who complained about the original title: If you go to the gents in a pub, and there was a sign saying "Men, please refrain from urinating in the mop sink" would you storm out ...

http://www.logicalfallacies.info/relevance/weak-analogy/ - it might work better if the sign wasn't in a customarily men-only area (making the addressee understandable and arguably redundant), but even then, it's a bit weak. To be like the OP, the sign would need to be more like "Dear men, A small notice to inform you that your attitude is making us cross. From you, wearing a wetsuit on a dry day, helmetted, urinating in the mop sink, we don't want to hear comments about where we urinate." I'd expect that would annoy more people and even then, it's not quite as bad.

 

[jefmcg]

Who wants to read an essay when they need to piss?

If it's above the mop sink, you can read it while you are pissing

[QUOTE 4760250, member: 9609"]Maroon or Magenta[/QUOTE]

I don't know what this means.

 

[Dogtrousers]

What's a mop sink?

Edit. Its ok. I've looked them up.

Hmmm. They do look a bit like urinals. I wonder .... (dredges memory for unusual looking urinals)

 

[jonny jeez]

What's the other thing then?

Have a read through the pages and work it out for yourself.

 

[arch684]

Climbing a local hill out of the saddle and gasping for breath a guy come along side of me and gives me this gem of advice.If you stay seated and select a low gear and spin more you will use less energy.Thanks for that mate but this is a single speed

 

[Spinney]

Climbing a local hill out of the saddle and gasping for breath a guy come along side of me and gives me this gem of advice.If you stay seated and select a low gear and spin more you will use less energy.Thanks for that mate but this is a single speed

He was wrong anyway - you may use less force as you spin, but you have to turn the pedals more often so the sum of total distance moved x force exerted is the same.
Sadly, it sounds like you didn't have enough spare breath to tell him that...

 

[jefmcg]

http://www.logicalfallacies.info/relevance/weak-analogy/ - it might work better if the sign wasn't in a customarily men-only area (making the addressee understandable and arguably redundant), but even then, it's a bit weak. To be like the OP, the sign would need to be more like "Dear men, A small notice to inform you that your attitude is making us cross. From you, wearing a wetsuit on a dry day, helmetted, urinating in the mop sink, we don't want to hear comments about where we urinate." I'd expect that would annoy more people and even then, it's not quite as bad.

Look. No where in the original posting did she say all men do anything. The original title was "males" not "all males" and in the text she just lists the things she doesn't want men to do. If you don't do those things, then everyone should be happy. If you do do those things, then yes the letter is relevant to you.

But I can improve the analogy, if you like. Let's make it a unisex toilet, in a coffee shop I guess. Same sign. Now women could be squatting in a public sink rather than waiting for a cubicle to become free, but that's pretty embarrassing and humiliating for most women, but there are some men that like to treat the world as their urinal, and men could use the sink without disrobing, so I would guess that if someone was urinating in the sink, it was going to be men. Would you complain about that sign? Or believe it somehow gave women permission to piss in the sink?

 

[jonny jeez]

Eh? I don't think there's a stated problem that hasn't been addressed adequately in this thread, or at least demonstrated many times over in an amusing way by the utter denseness of many male contributors. But if you are going to complain that something's been missed, and then refuse to say what it is, I'm not seeing how anyone can begin to help you, should they want to bother that is.

Perhaps actually read my response to Adrian and have another think.

Am I asking for your help?

Am I complaining about something?

Am I suggesting it hasn't been dealt with?

Am I suggesting its one thing?

Or dont bother and just jump to a conclusion.

 

[Dogtrousers]

Having looked at the design of some mop sinks, I think placing one in an area where it is likely to be used as a urinal is just asking for trouble. And what's wrong with just using a bucket? To do the mopping with I mean ...

 

[AndyRM]

Look. No where in the original posting did she say all men do anything. The original title was "males" not "all males" and in the text she just lists the things she doesn't want men to do. If you don't do those things, then everyone should be happy. If you do do those things, then yes the letter is relevant to you.

But I can improve the analogy, if you like. Let's make it a unisex toilet, in a coffee shop I guess. Same sign. Now women could be squatting in a public sink rather than waiting for a cubicle to become free, but that's pretty embarrassing and humiliating for most women, but there are some men that like to treat the world as their urinal, and men could use the sink without disrobing, so I would guess that if someone was urinating in the sink, it was going to be men. Would you complain about that sign? Or believe it somehow gave women permission to piss in the sink?

I'll need a monitor now too...

 

[Shaun]

Can we leave the washroom analogy behind and bring the thread back on topic please; which is generally about women cyclists having to deal with being patronised by male cyclists (in excess of their male cycling counterparts).

Thanks,
Shaun

 

[slowmotion]

If you haven't grasped this distinction after 26 pages, slowmotion, then you're probably never going to realise how condescending you might be, or when you are being patronised yourself. Ah well.

If you can point out where I have been patronising or condescending, I would be grateful. Do you suffer from an overactive imagination?

 

[velovoice]

If you can point out where I have been patronising or condescending, I would be grateful. Do you suffer from an overactive imagination?

I'm afraid that post rather proves exactly TMN's point.
Why, when some women express outrage/anger at everyday sexism, do some men continue to dismiss this as some kind of hysteria?

 

[ufkacbln]

I'm afraid that post rather proves exactly TMN's point.
Why, when some women express outrage/anger at everyday sexism, do some men continue to dismiss this as some kind of hysteria?

It is not dismissed as hysteria, there are issues, there are problems, and no-one denies it.

However if that is to be dealt with it needs to be discussed and the outright dismissal of any male contribution is unhelpful and divisive. People may find that annoying and wish to challenge the insinuations and allegations

Pure stereotyping and name calling helps neither side in this debate

 

[Dan B]

If you can point out where I have been patronising or condescending, I would be grateful

In the sentence following this one

Do you suffer from an overactive imagination?