Appalling Club Run

[Venod]

Definitely not for CUK or CN groups. Not for the few Sustrans groups, as far as I can tell.

That's good, unfortunately its a club rule, no helmet no ride.

I don't think Sustrans or any CN groups make riding conditional on membership, but I think you only get a limited number of non-member rides with CUK

There are still a lot of group rides round here organised on a ad hoc basis, so if I do leave the club I can always find a group to ride with if I feel the need.
The club politics got so bad last year a member formed a Strava group called Cycling Not Politics which is very popular and people post rides if they want company.

 

[Alan O]

I don't think Sustrans or any CN groups make riding conditional on membership, but I think you only get a limited number of non-member rides with CUK.

It's a non-member limit of three rides with my local CUK before you have to join, but British Cycling/Let's Ride has no restrictions.

 

[Leodis]

Explain.

Because half wheeling increases the pace of the group, the person next to them attempts to level the group, then the half wheeler increases the pace to half wheel again, before you know it a steady tempo is now flat out, this leaves the person at the back constantly hanging on.

 

[mjr]

Because half wheeling increases the pace of the group, the person next to them attempts to level the group, then the half wheeler increases the pace to half wheel again, before you know it a steady tempo is now flat out, this leaves the person at the back constantly hanging on.

That seems only true if the group is full of ill-disciplined MGIFs who can't hold formation - or possibly if the group hasn't agreed on a staggered formation before someone attempts to ride it.

 

[Venod]

Do groups ride in a half wheeling pattern? I have never encountered this.
I have experienced what @Leodis refers to, the person instigating the half wheeling usually gets a reputation for it.

 

[mjr]

Do groups ride in a half wheeling pattern? I have never encountered this.
I have experienced what @Leodis refers to, the person instigating the half wheeling usually gets a reputation for it.

Maybe not exactly half-wheeling but aren't all pacelines staggered if done properly, except a double paceline? Otherwise the rider taking the lead turn isn't setting the pace, is s/he?

And doubles seem rare on open roads in this country because few roads are wide enough.

 

[Venod]

The only time I have ridden deliberately with overlapping wheels is in an echelon, but you need good wide traffic free roads for this.
A pace line doesn't overlap wheels in formation only when the front rider drops back.
Isn't a double pace line a chain gang?
Chaingangs are quite common in the UK.

 

[mjr]

Overlapping wheels is not the same as half-wheeling/staggering!

A double paceline is like two chaingangs next to each other rotating opposite directions with those easing back on the outside... looks a bit like 4 abreast from a car following!

 

[Fab Foodie]

Because half wheeling increases the pace of the group, the person next to them attempts to level the group, then the half wheeler increases the pace to half wheel again, before you know it a steady tempo is now flat out, this leaves the person at the back constantly hanging on.

See @mjr response.
Most groups I have ridden just lets the ‘half-wheeler’ disappear up the road alone. It’s a nonsense.

 

[Venod]

Overlapping wheels is not the same as half-wheeling/staggering!

A double paceline is like two chaingangs next to each other rotating opposite directions with those easing back on the outside... looks a bit like 4 abreast from a car following!

This is a double pace line ie chain gang.


View: https://youtu.be/f1rXCcNG1GM

 

[mjr]

This is a double pace line ie chain gang.


View: https://youtu.be/f1rXCcNG1GM

Ah, GCN, givers of the wrong answer to so many cycling questions! What they're calling a double paceline is what others call a rotating paceline. Here's something adapted from one of the classic books which gives the correct definitions: http://www.lostrivercycling.org/paceline.html

 

[Venod]

It's a common thing to refer ato chain gang as a double pace line, but I see what you mean now.

http://cyclinginfo.co.uk/blog/221/training/cycling-in-a-chain-gang/index.html

When riding a double paceline not in chain gang mode, in my experience the front outside rider pulls in front of the inside rider and the next two outside riders pull to the front and become the front riders.the same manoeuvre as a chain gang, but the front riders stay put for a while, this doesn't require as much road as the example from your link.

 

[MrGrumpy]

Just wondering what peoples thoughts are on this, on Sunday afternoon we got caught up behind what can only be described as the most shambolic club run I have ever witnessed, there was quite a large group of riders, some of whom seemed to think it's acceptable to ride 4 to 5 abreast blocking any chance of a safe pass, they were half wheeling each other, none of them checked behind to see what was going on to their rear, on setting off from one set of traffic lights there was nearly a huge pile up as a couple of them seemed to make a complete pigs ear of setting off causing a mass bunching/slowing/wobbling & panicky unclipping at the rear of the bunch, this went on for about 5 miles before we could safely get past, however more impatient motorists were flying past the following cars & the group in excess of 50mph in a 30 mph zone, which is far from right, and in itself downright dangerous, however if this lot had thinned out to 2 abreast, it would have given the following cars a chance to clear.
I had ridden this route that morning & I think if I had stumbled across this lot whilst out I'd have pulled up & given them 10 minutes to clear off as I would not want to be associated with this lot, or be on the receiving end of abuse because of them.
What made it worse was that they did seem to be quite experienced fit cyclists.
Surely this sort of thing is frowned upon by clubs.

Just had a debate about cycling more than two abreast, it would seem its more common than I thought ! Dunno what road clubs from round Edinburgh head down the East Coast through Aberlady, Gullane etc but your going the right way about annoying the hell out of all fellow road users .

 

[mjr]

Just had a debate about cycling more than two abreast, it would seem its more common than I thought ! Dunno what road clubs from round Edinburgh head down the East Coast through Aberlady, Gullane etc but your going the right way about annoying the hell out of all fellow road users .

And did you remind them that it's as legal for people to cycle as many abreast as will fit, plus it makes the group shorter and easier to overtake?

No-one seems to be telling off the motorists driving around five abreast near me. Double standards.

 

[MrGrumpy]

Can you show me the link please to where it says that,genuine interest?