Are we being forced to go electric?

[Deleted member 26715]

50% of UK energy is from renewable sources

Have they commissioned some more windmills today? A few hours ago it was almost 50% now we're hit the magic number

 

[FishFright]

This is what you said

A well priced PCP is often not too far off the depreciation over the 3 years of the lease, especial if you tried to sell it privately

To sell the car privately you have to own it and pay the final payment (so you have legal title over it). Not sure you would recoup the total cost on selling it?

What are you on about now ?

 

[Deleted member 26715]

Not true. However many on hear will rebut the assertion that EVs are less good for the environment than ICE cars.

Problem with that is nobody actually knows, even the scientist disagree as there are so many variables.

 

[FishFright]

Have they commissioned some more windmills today? A few hours ago it was almost 50% now we're hit the magic number

Or it got a bit more windy ... No magic needed.

 

[icowden]

That's debatable, as that requires back up from other sources, and it includes biomass, and is under 50%.

At the time of typing. 28.7% of energy was fully renewable. 15.2% Nuclear, 2.5% other. That's 46.4% and doesn't include biomass.
Over the past week 33.6% has been renewable 18.9% nuclear - so 52.5%.
Over the past year 27.2% has been renewable, 17.6% nuclear - so 44.8%.

Yes we need to do more. We need to get rid of our dependency on gas by building more renewables and probably a nuke. Biomass doesn't contribute much (about 6% on a daily basis) and again should be got rid of.

 

[ClichéGuevara]

Not for long. They will likely be too expensive to run by 2040.


Not true. However many on hear will rebut the assertion that EVs are less good for the environment than ICE cars.

Erm, it is true, based on my own experience and watching the responses to others.

As for your second point, have a look at the vehicles limping around in Countries with a high percentage of poverty and a lack of available vehicles. That aside, your glib response is saying that you don't care about the immediate issues of health or how it's liable to impact people for over 20 years.

 

[Deleted member 26715]

I have leased cars for years and up until the chip shortage, leasing has been significantly cheaper for me than buying cars. Lease versus buy is a tricky decision for many.

I can't see how this can be true, I paid £6,500 for our car 8 years ago, it's still worth £2,000 so over the 8 years it's cost me £4,000 if I'd leased at £400 per month, £4,800 a year, total cost £38,400 with no asset.

 

[ClichéGuevara]

Or it got a bit more windy ... No magic needed.

Ironically, one problem they're wrestling with is that if the climate estimates are correct, they'll get less of a return from wind and solar. Too much wind is a significant issue.

 

[Deleted member 26715]

A well priced PCP is often not too far off the depreciation over the 3 years of the lease, especial if you tried to sell it privately.

But you've paid money for 3 years with no asset to show for it.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

I stand to be corrected, but I doubt very much the EVs are significantly more efficient in and of themselves

Yes, they are. The conversion of input energy to output motive power is far higher than ICE vehicles.

 

[icowden]

That aside, your glib response is saying that you don't care about the immediate issues of health or how it's liable to impact people for over 20 years.

Um how?

https://www.blf.org.uk/your-stories...t diesel,caused from particulate matter alone.

https://hansard.parliament.uk/lords...7E58D2CF0B71/Children’SHealthVehicleEmissions

When you are on your bike would you rather be stuck in a slow moving line of:

1. Diesel fuelled cars and vans
2. Petrol fuelled cars and vans
3. Electric cars and vans

?

Personally I'd go for number 3. There are times when I have to use my inhaler if the traffic is bad. Not an issue if the traffic is made up of EVs. Plus you can hear the birds singing.

 

[ClichéGuevara]

Yes, they are. The conversion of input energy to output motive power is far higher than ICE vehicles.

That depends on where you start and finish the energy chain.

 

[Landsurfer]

We have 3 diesel genset farms within 2 miles of our house .... barely a day goes by without the roar of them starting up ... as i cycle north of Doncaster the steam rising from the most heavily subsidised power plant on the planet, DRAX, is seen most days.
The “Green “ power station in the heart of Rotherham has a constant stream of bulk carriers lined up with wood pellets from the Americas and Lithuania, shipped by ships burning bunker fuel and transported by diesel trucks ....
Green energy is the ultimate “Emperors new clothes” falsehood ....

 

[ClichéGuevara]

Um how?

https://www.blf.org.uk/your-stories/diesel-cars-are-damaging-our-lungs#:~:text=We now know that diesel,caused from particulate matter alone.

https://hansard.parliament.uk/lords/2019-06-11/debates/E3CE49E4-DF0D-4221-9885-7E58D2CF0B71/Children’SHealthVehicleEmissions

When you are on your bike would you rather be stuck in a slow moving line of:

1. Diesel fuelled cars and vans
2. Petrol fuelled cars and vans
3. Electric cars and vans

?

Personally I'd go for number 3. There are times when I have to use my inhaler if the traffic is bad. Not an issue if the traffic is made up of EVs. Plus you can hear the birds singing.

Have a think about what I posted, and whether your response confirms my comment about people ignoring the immediate harm.

 

[ClichéGuevara]

We have 3 diesel genset farms within 2 miles of our house .... barely a day goes by without the roar of them starting up ... as i cycle north of Doncaster the steam rising from the most heavily subsidised power plant on the planet, DRAX, is seen most days.
The “Green “ power station in the heart of Rotherham has a constant stream of bulk carriers lined up with wood pellets from the Americas and Lithuania, shipped by ships burning bunker fuel and transported by diesel trucks ....
Green energy is the ultimate “Emperors new clothes” falsehood ....

It's even worse when you look at the damage done in acquiring those pellets, directly and indirectly. The land taken up for 'renewables' is impacting on farming availability and cost.