FishFright
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I wondered who'd say that. Now have a little think.
Are we being forced to go electric?
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I wondered who'd say that. Now have a little think.
Drago
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Come on Fishy, you know the difficulty of the interweb is you being unable to see my tongue in my cheek.
Now have a little think before taking wilfully and outrageously daft statements at face value.
Now have a little think before taking wilfully and outrageously daft statements at face value.
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FishFright
More wheels than sense
Drago
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The problem is Fishy that I talk such utter leg-pulling bollicks so much of the time, that when I do say something sensible no one believes me.
cougie uk
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I'm freezing today after a two hour walk in the rain. A nice wooly jumper would be a big help.
WHY would 'the man' want all the cars off the road ? And then the car factories shut down ? No profits there.
It's obvious that you can't keep adding private cars to a city centre though - congestion is a big issue as is pollution. In a crowded environment you need public transport as well as decent walking and cycling. This works well in the more advanced countries in the world.
WHY would 'the man' want all the cars off the road ? And then the car factories shut down ? No profits there.
It's obvious that you can't keep adding private cars to a city centre though - congestion is a big issue as is pollution. In a crowded environment you need public transport as well as decent walking and cycling. This works well in the more advanced countries in the world.
Maybe not the cutting edge of vehicle assembly but they’re literally decades ahead in vehicle software. They are a software company first, car company second.
Sorry for linkedin link, it’s originally on TikTok which i won’t do.
Ford CEO explaining how they have 150 separate modules, they tender for each separately from different manufacturer with different protocols. They call it a ”loose confederation of software modules“. It’s software architecture from the 1980s! I’m amazed the cars even move.
I‘m far from a Tesla fan and can’t stand Musk but admire their gameplay. These days any business that wants to be successful at scale needs to be a tech business first and foremost. This is why Amazon utterly dominate retail. At this rate I could see most legacy carmakers going out of business in ten years.
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/hrvo...JE?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop
Drago
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I foresee the opposite. I foresee the old hands learning quickly and Tesla resting on laurels they largely don't even have yet.
Gillstay
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Ford had those laurels in 1980's when along with the other big manufacturers in America they aimed to get their cars to do 30mpg. At the time my Citroen happily did 50mpg. Also they have had how long to make an electric car ? GM started then sabotaged their own electric cars.
So Tesla's track record looks pretty good.
The quick death of many is appearing on the horizon.
China is the world's biggest car market.
Ford is losing $25k for every EV they sell on the Chinese market.
Toyota has only sold 7000 models of their EV in 3 months after reduced price to $19k. Tesla sell 75000 cars per month
Nissan , mitsubishi VW have had a 25% drop in EV sales this year alone in China.
New emissions regulations in Sept mean literally hundreds of thousands of ICE from legacy makers won't be able to be sold. That leaves vast parking lots of wasted vehicles
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I think that Tesla have done remarkably well but will come under more and more pressure as the car industry big guns really come up to speed.
The problem the established manufacturers have is that they have a split focus ie they will be manufacturing ICE vehicles for some markets many years after other markets have been closed out.
The biggest global player in the car market Toyota is nowhere near fully up to speed yet and globally they outsell Tesla by a factor of c10.
There are some other very big players in the market that trade way above Tesla levels and no way will they be left out of the new world order as it evolves.
https://www.factorywarrantylist.com/car-sales-by-manufacturer.html
cyberknight
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the emission regs are set so low atm that current hybrid sales overall for manufacturers meet the criteria as a % of zero emissions at this time, going forward i cant comment on obviously.
I do know the one i work for has plans for a multi pronged approach dependant on the infrastructure of each market area, so BEV where there are the charging infrastructure , self charging and plug in hybrid , hydrogen EV, vehicle sharing, public transport , etc etc
biggs682
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I hope that when Toyota finally have a complete ev product line uo the markets will change.
Not sure that ev's and the electric supply market are the answer though once more people do swap over
That is the massive problem for legacy manufacturers.
They have to cannibalise their ICE sales for BEV. Billions have been invested in these designs, production and supply lines.
Toyota has the biggest debt of just about any company in the world. Last I saw it was 186 billion dollars in debt
Just checked it is now 220 billion dollars in 2023. They're drowning in debt
They can't sell their EV the B4 only a few thousand over several months. Those that they have sold are at a loss.
It's no secret Toyota hate EVs, and have been extremely reluctant to invest in the technology.
Only BYD and Tesla are making profits in China from EV per car. Everyone else is making a massive loss per car and only selling a small number compared.
It's not only China that legacy manufacturers are struggling. Tesla Model Y has become European best selling car this year overall. Even in Germany people are buying the Tesla and not their ID cars.
Because China is the biggest market, if you can't make it there, it can pull down your whole business. So many have many billions invested and are still losing market share
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cyberknight
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That is the massive problem for legacy manufacturers.
They have to cannibalise their ICE sales for BEV. Billions have been invested in these designs, production and supply lines.
Toyota has the biggest debt of just about any company in the world. Last I saw it was 186 billion dollars in debt
Just checked it is now 220 billion dollars in 2023. They're drowning in debt
They can't sell their EV the B4 only a few thousand over several months. Those that they have sold are at a loss.
It's no secret Toyota hate EVs, and have been extremely reluctant to invest in the technology.
Only BYD and Tesla are making profits in China from EV per car. Everyone else is making a massive loss per car and only selling a small number compared.
It's not only China that legacy manufacturers are struggling. Tesla Model Y has become European best selling car this year overall. Even in Germany people are buying the Tesla and not their ID cars.
Because China is the biggest market, if you can't make it there, it can pull down your whole business. So many have many billions invested and are still losing market share
the new CEO is open to BEV , since the old one stepped down things are afoot .
https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/corporate/39288520.html
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