Are we being forced to go electric?

[cyberknight]

You should check out the Electric Viking on YouTube. He keeps reporting on the Chinese market for car manufacturers.

He doesn't think it's so Rosie for Toyota

if they go t^ts up i am waiting for a good payout

 

[CXRAndy]

if they go t^ts up i am waiting for a good payout

If they go tits up, you will be at the end of a very long list of creditors.

 

[CXRAndy]

Ford are having some major EV issues in their own backyard. Forecourt inventory is now at 120 days worth of supply, meaning no one, or very few are buying their EVs.

Mach E is being discounted heavily, but F150 is rising in price and they are barely selling more than a few thousand per month. The large presales for the F150 Lightning have collapsed with dealerships having many in stock-blamed on huge dealer markup profit grab-which has backfired.


View: https://youtu.be/0UefNbuA6OE


Other brands having various results, GM has had huge percentage growth, but actually very low sales in actual numbers,.

VW, Ford, even Hyundai are relatively small compared to Tesla by a factor of 10 fold
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/07/ev-sales-hyundai-overtakes-gm-but-teslas-us-dominance-continues.html

 

[MrGrumpy]

Aren't indicators a legal requirement!
On any motor vehicle.

Ha !

 

[MrGrumpy]

Again. There's no need to buy a huge battery car unless you're using it all of the time.
You lug it around town and pay for the purchase.
Or you buy a smaller cheaper battery. Use less energy on the drives you do and once a year you stop for a recharge instead of blasting

Sounds like a compromise , thats what seems to be the sell !

 

[MrGrumpy]

It's obvious that you can't keep adding private cars to a city centre though - congestion is a big issue as is pollution. In a crowded environment you need public transport as well as decent walking and cycling. This works well in the more advanced countries in the world.

Amen !! Problem is in the UK , public transport is shocking . It’s historically run for shareholders first and everyone else second .

 

[Drago]

Ford had those laurels in 1980's when along with the other big manufacturers in America they aimed to get their cars to do 30mpg. At the time my Citroen happily did 50mpg. Also they have had how long to make an electric car ? GM started then sabotaged their own electric cars.
So Tesla's track record looks pretty good.

Market forces were different 40 years ago (was it really 40 years ago?!)

With oil so cheap, and 'encouragement' from big oil in the US at political, social and business levels to keep burning their product there was not the incentive there is now.

Aye, being generous if one must it's fair to say that GM acted rather bizarrely at best over their initial electric car market experiments.

But is Teslas track record good?

Volvo, who make hoth electric and ICE cars and who have a track record of open and honest6 in everything from safety through to emissions, reckon it takes 70,000 miles of use before an electric car breaks even CO2 emissions-wise with a comparable ICE car.

Tesla, who have never made a single ICE car, reckon its 20,000 miles.

I know who I beleive.

Even worse for Tesla the video I posted yesterday shows the design and assembly of their monocoque is unnecessary complicated in design and takes more effort, and therefore energy, to manufacturer. They are decades behind their rivals with their monocoque and the requieed production inefficiency it brings. This would put Teslas offering beyond someone like Volvo who are skilled and have 70 years experience in mass producing monocoque structures, making even a 70,000 miles break-even hopelessly optimistic for Tesla.

When someone can't even lie straight in bed their track record is anything but good.

 

[Drago]

You should check out the Electric Viking on YouTube. He keeps reporting on the Chinese market for car manufacturers.

He doesn't think it's so Rosie for Toyota

Or Tesla. The Chinese car industry resources, be it their industrial and R&D capacity or their natural resources, are in a class of their own for both scale and efficiency. No western manufacturer is going to fare well against them in 5 or 10 years.

 

[Landsurfer]

Just filled up the reassuringly comfortable 5 seat truck with the euro 6 engined diesel ... £139.8 / LTR .... now got 589 miles of range .... happy days ... I will not be forced to do anything by government (s) ... it just takes enough of us to say it out loud ....

 

[FishFright]

Just filled up the reassuringly comfortable 5 seat truck with the euro 6 engined diesel ... £139.8 / LTR .... now got 589 miles of range .... happy days ... I will not be forced to anything by our corrupt government (s) ... it just takes enough of us to say it out loud ....

When those who are owned by the oil company cry freedom you know its a Satirical Sunday

 

[MrGrumpy]

Just filled up the reassuringly comfortable 5 seat truck with the euro 6 engined diesel ... £139.8 / LTR .... now got 589 miles of range .... happy days ... I will not be forced to anything by our corrupt government (s) ... it just takes enough of us to say it out loud ....

My only issue is my big Disco is not euro 6 , it might need to go soon !

 

[Drago]

Just filled up the reassuringly comfortable 5 seat truck with the euro 6 engined diesel ... £139.8 / LTR .... now got 589 miles of range .... happy days ... I will not be forced to anything by our corrupt government (s) ... it just takes enough of us to say it out loud ....

Does the petrol station shop sell leeches in case you fall ill, or some mammoth furs to keep you warm in your cave?

 

[biggs682]

My only issue is my big Disco is not euro 6 , it

Someone will be along soon to say that if it was a Tesla the move to euro 6 would be done by a download

 

[Drago]

Discos, eh?

T'is said that 70% of all Land Rovers made are still on the road...while the other 30% made it home.

If Tesla made them they'd all be stuck at the roadside.

 

[Chislenko]

Aren't indicators a legal requirement!
On any motor vehicle.

They don't appear to be on taxis 🙂