Are we being forced to go electric?

[FishFright]

So maybe we can agree that cars are large machines that take a lot of energy to produce and power?

ICE vehicle use produces pollution where they are used and that has health implications for people in those areas.
EV vehicle use may produce pollution where their energy is generated.

If so can we also agree that fewer car journeys would be a good thing?

But everyone's lifestyle dictates that it's not possible right now ...

 

[Alex321]

And the majority of EV's being purchased by multi nationals as company cars, that seems to kept quiet ....

It isn't really of any great relevance to any argument about whether we are being forced to go EV, or about the viability of them. And TBH, is true of many models of ICE vehicles as well. Most of the cars I have bought in the last 20 years have been ex-fleet vehicles.

 

[Landsurfer]

Was that any different for ICE a few years ago? Big companies have always bought/leased large fleets of vehicles

Yes Andy, but now it's to promote their false green strategies ....
We need to stop greenwashing electricity. It's not clean, it's not renewable, it's not reliable.
I work in the rail industry where "de-carbonisation" is being shouted from the rooftops ... and every marketing department. .."Electric Trains For a Green Future" ... but they all start looking at their feet, shuffling around, when the awkward squad start asking where the electricity is coming from ....

 

[cougie uk]

And the majority of EV's being purchased by multi nationals as company cars, that seems to kept quiet ....

Multi nationals ? The six people I know with EVs have all bought theirs privately.

I don't know anyone who's got one through some mysterious multi national...

Where did you get your figures?

 

[Alex321]

Yes Andy, but now it's to promote their false green strategies ....
We need to stop greenwashing electricity. It's not clean, it's not renewable, it's not reliable.
I work in the rail industry where "de-carbonisation" is being shouted from the rooftops ... and every marketing department. .."Electric Trains For a Green Future" ... but they all start looking at their feet, shuffling around, when the awkward squad start asking where the electricity is coming from ....

In the UK, around 50% of electricity is now produced from renewables, and growing all the time. Admittedly that does include biomass, which isn't much more "clean" than fossil fuels. But around 30% currently comes from wind

 

[vickster]

Many of the EVs around here have TFL taxi stickers in the window (MGs, Kias, Hyundais, Teslas) plus many hybrids (Prius, Auris etc)

Supermarkets, Amazon account for many commercial vehicles, so those are multi-national leased/owned, plus many buses in London are being replaced with electric ones. Also, electric black cabs

 

[CXRAndy]

Renewable is getting better year on year and yes it's is sustainable

 

[classic33]

Next year should see the introduction of the baby Model 2 from Tesla

And production will start in 2025. Maybe!
With delivery a year later.

 

[Landsurfer]

In the UK, around 50% of electricity is now produced from renewables, and growing all the time. Admittedly that does include biomass, which isn't much more "clean" than fossil fuels. But around 30% currently comes from wind

When it's blowing .... DRAX now produces more emissions burning the forests of South Carolina than it did burning coal ...

 

[classic33]

In the UK, around 50% of electricity is now produced from renewables, and growing all the time. Admittedly that does include biomass, which isn't much more "clean" than fossil fuels. But around 30% currently comes from wind

Not that high in the UK.

It's around 30% for renewable sources

 

[Landsurfer]

Not that high in the UK.

It's around 30% for renewable sources

https://gridwatch.co.uk/

Read it and weep ... Lets get Fracking ...

 

[FishFright]

https://gridwatch.co.uk/

Read it and weep ... Lets get Fracking ...

Currently 37% renewables

 

[Alex321]

Not that high in the UK.

It's around 30% for renewable sources

While it does vary of course, it is considerably higher than that most days. Wind alone often accounts for more than 40%, though there have also been days when it has accounted for less than 10%.

 

[Jameshow]

When it's blowing .... DRAX now produces more emissions burning the forests of South Carolina than it did burning coal ...

Not to mention shipping emmisions!

 

[Jameshow]

While it does vary of course, it is considerably higher than that most days. Wind alone often accounts for more than 40%, though there have also been days when it has accounted for less than 10%.

30% average?