That's why self driving is the future. Need a mahoosive car to go to the airport - done. Need a small car to nip to the shops or pick the kids up from school? No problem. In the meantime, people will buy cars that match their use cases. For the majority of us that's an SUV or family type car.
Are we being forced to go electric?
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It was a comment about public transport, not about EV viability.
Alex321
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He was talking about using public transport, not about going electric.
KnittyNorah
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Provision for carriage of bikes (and other wheeled human-powered vehicles) needs to be improved on and around the improved public transport. Then using bikes(etc) for those final (or first) few miles will be a much more practical prospect.
KnittyNorah
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Northern Rail is great about bikes, and I can take a folding bike on the bus.
Without the ability to take my bike with me on public transport, though, I would be very, very, restricted in where I can go and what I can do.
Without the ability to take my bike with me on public transport, though, I would be very, very, restricted in where I can go and what I can do.
I admire your optimism but take the rose tinted glasses off. Long long way off What you envisage as being the norm !
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cougie uk
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It'll probably come quicker than you think.
Roads are getting silly for congestion now.
Parking is a nightmare.
The next generation won't be able to afford their own cars - not with the price of housing.
It'll make more sense for them to use self driving Ubers rather than have a car of their own sitting doing nothing for 99% of the time.
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Firstly: we were talking about a properly integrated public transport system not EV point to point use.
Secondly, Kendal to Carlisle is a simple journey. Try: a bit North of Kendal to say Wasdale Head (something I do 3 or 4 times a year plus other similar journeys) and give me a public transport option that works - or even sketch out an integrated solution for me.
cougie uk
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What would you have done 50 years ago ? I'm afraid you'll always struggle for public transport out in the countryside.
Cerdic
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This might be because the people who can afford, and are attracted to, electric cars are the demographic who would use their car more irrespective of its motive power.
Self driving cars do nothing for congestion. It’s going to get more and more congested. I really don’t see the obsession with self driving vehicles ?? That’s less jobs , what’s good about that ??
"They're closing ;t pits - that's fewer jobs, what's good about that?"
"They've got motorized carriages - the grooms and breeders are going to be put out of jobs - what's good about that?"
"These new automated exchanges- the operators'll be out of work - what's good about that?"
"These new harvesting machines - the pickers'll be out of work - what's good about that?"
and so on...
Jobs are obsoleted all the time.
Self driving cars reduce congestion as fewer people need to buy cars.
Yep - sorry - apologies - didn't read properly and I entirely agree with you. Whilst you might get clusters of self driving cars in Carlisle and Kendall, you'd have to plan ahead a lot to go off the beaten track , and other public transport just wouldn't be viable.
classic33
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If self driving/automated cars start appearing in large numbers, then expect the number of them on the road to increase.
A major selling point is that you'll have fewer stops, due in part to the fact that they'll follow the lead vehicle at a given distance at a similar speed, at a closer spacing than "would be safe" with a driver in control. Their speed being limited to the type of road they are on. You end up with more cars taking up less space on the roads. That "empty space" will be taken up by other vehicles.
And if they are more affordable than owning a car, expect people to purchase fewer cars...
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