Are we being forced to go electric?

[Chislenko]

Could be worse. They could be going to Paignton.

Even you have given up trying to justify it Cougie!!

 

[DRM]

In the real world, 136 miles won't actually be 136 miles so imagine going from say Newcastle to Torquay for your holiday, the journey to and from would be longer than the holiday!!

A point I made ages ago regarding our work vans, however it was ridiculed as people know my job better than I do, but 136 miles empty, never minded loaded , in winter, Leeds to Newcastle would be a nightmare, it would spend more time being charged, if customers will let you that is than being driven

 

[Jameshow]

Looks useful apart from the lousy range. It says

An interior designed for long journeys​

But it then has a range of only 136 miles.

E transporters were even worse irrc about 60 miles and a low top speed!

I'd buzz looks better I believe.

 

[youngoldbloke]

E transporters were even worse irrc about 60 miles and a low top speed!

I'd buzz looks better I believe.

Yes it does - but at almost £60,000! I don't consider that to be affordable.

 

[CXRAndy]

I honestly cant see why a van maker cant have a BEV with 250-275 summer range and 200 winter.

The vehicle is generally bigger than a car so fitting a bigger battery wouldn't be a problem. These then could be converted for multi person taxi, camper tourer setups.

Is it the commercial van weight regs limiting speed the issue?

 

[toffee]

I honestly cant see why a van maker cant have a BEV with 250-275 summer range and 200 winter.

The vehicle is generally bigger than a car so fitting a bigger battery wouldn't be a problem. These then could be converted for multi person taxi, camper tourer setups.

Is it the commercial van weight regs limiting speed the issue?

It's keeping under 3500kg that is the issue. Put more batteries in to get the range then it eats into the payload. There are proposals to increase licence limit to 4200kg for electric vans.

 

[Andy in Germany]

It's keeping under 3500kg that is the issue. Put more batteries in to get the range then it eats into the payload.

Laws of Physics cannot be ignored.

It's keeping under 3500kg that is the issue. Put more batteries in to get the range then it eats into the payload. There are proposals to increase licence limit to 4200kg for electric vans.

Great, so now vehicles will get even heavier and cause more road damage.

 

[DRM]

It's keeping under 3500kg that is the issue. Put more batteries in to get the range then it eats into the payload. There are proposals to increase licence limit to 4200kg for electric vans.

This is the problem, the only other way at the moment would be a generator to power a built in charger, so at least it would get reasonable range, or be more suitable for those working remotely

 

[cyberknight]

Laws of Physics cannot be ignored.



Great, so now vehicles will get even heavier and cause more road damage.

saw an article somewhere about this with regards to good lorries , vev ones under current regs cant carry as much so you need more or increase the limit

 

[CXRAndy]

Laws of Physics cannot be ignored.



Great, so now vehicles will get even heavier and cause more road damage.

HGVs do 99% road damage and wear. So increasing the van regs to accommodate a slightly heavier bracket is neither here or there

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Great, so now vehicles will get even heavier and cause more road damage.

Whilst, as others have pointed out, road damage isn't such a big issue, it's becoming increasingly apparent that EVs are making things worse in several different was, partly through physics and partly economics:

1. Their weight makes them more dangerous in a collision purely through higher momentum.
2. As they're heavy already, making them bigger is relatively less expensive than for a normal car. So humungous EVs have become normal. That's intimidating and inconvenient to other road users.
3. The electric motors are much cheaper relative to the car than for a normal vehicle. So they're all tooled up for massive acceleration, making them easier to driver dangerously.
4. Many UK cars are bought through company schemes. The benefit in kind tax for EVs is near zero, so the bigger and more expensive car you own, the more tax you save!

EVs should be taxed as much as normal cars on their capital IMO. VED should apply to high powered large ones. These are not planet saving devices, they're an absolute menace.

 

[CXRAndy]

It's keeping under 3500kg that is the issue. Put more batteries in to get the range then it eats into the payload. There are proposals to increase licence limit to 4200kg for electric vans.

Some manufacturers are making these 4250kg van but are classing them as HGV, fitting tachograph. That means they need a yearly MOT and limited speed..

Government is still deliberating over the 2022 consultation.

Better get a move on

 

[CXRAndy]

EVs should be taxed as much as normal cars on their capital IMO. VED should apply to high powered large ones. These are not planet saving devices, they're an absolute menace

I sense a slight undercurrent of dislike towards electric vehicles.

You might find EVs have many driver aids to improve safety for the occupants and pedestrians

 

[roubaixtuesday]

I sense a slight undercurrent of dislike towards electric vehicles.

You might find EVs have many driver aids to improve safety for the occupants and pedestrians

I actually think EVs are great. The unintended consequences of the current rollout however, I think are awful.

The last thing the environment needs is more huge high powered vehicles, both from the resource to manufacture and the impact on other road users, which remains entirely regardless of the "driver aids".

 

[Jameshow]

Whilst, as others have pointed out, road damage isn't such a big issue, it's becoming increasingly apparent that EVs are making things worse in several different was, partly through physics and partly economics:

1. Their weight makes them more dangerous in a collision purely through higher momentum.
2. As they're heavy already, making them bigger is relatively less expensive than for a normal car. So humungous EVs have become normal. That's intimidating and inconvenient to other road users.
3. The electric motors are much cheaper relative to the car than for a normal vehicle. So they're all tooled up for massive acceleration, making them easier to driver dangerously.
4. Many UK cars are bought through company schemes. The benefit in kind tax for EVs is near zero, so the bigger and more expensive car you own, the more tax you save!

EVs should be taxed as much as normal cars on their capital IMO. VED should apply to high powered large ones. These are not planet saving devices, they're an absolute menace.

I bet a 400hp EV is no more environmentally friendly than a 150bhp ice...