Are wolf-dogs legal?

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XmisterIS

Purveyor of fine nonsense
I had a rather scary experience last night and I wonder what to do about it.

I went to see a friend/acquaintance of mine (we're not really close mates, just occasional friends) and he has gone and got himself a "wolf-dog". (he's a small chap and I think he suffers from "small man" syndrome).

Anyway, I was rather surprised when I walked in to be slobbered all over by something that looks bit like cross between a German shepherd, a husky and ... umm ... something from the depths of hell! He had that very long-legged, raggedy look that wild wolves have, together with the broad face and light-coloured eyes.

Apparently he is a wolf/dog hybrid, and he is huge. His paws are the size of a man's hand and when he sat beside me and yawned, his teeth were about two inches long. He weighs almost the same as I do and when he stood on his hind legs to be friendly to me, he was eye-to-eye with me, and I'm 6 feet tall! :eek:

Now, I know dogs, but the trouble is that my friend doesn't, he's never had one before. I also know that wolves are very intelligent and that they play "test-games" with each other in the pack to assert a dominance hierarchy in the pack. This usually involves testing each other physically and mentally to find the strongest wolf who then becomes the Alpha.

With normal dogs, this is typically no problem, a human is much bigger and stronger than most dogs and can easily assert dominance. Not so with this creature! He knows he is much stronger than a person. Also, I know that wolf behaviour is markedly different from dog behaviour in this regard - dogs are domesticated and typically much more docile than wolves.

We were in the garden, and this creature started play-bowing to me, so I picked up his rope and started tug-of-war with him ... needless to say he almost wrenched my arms out of their sockets! "By God, I thought, this boy is strong!" Then he started the typical wolf "test-games" with me - he pulled so hard that he pulled me over. He did it deliberately, I'm sure, just to test me. Then he started running at me and nipping at me - as much as to say, "I could rip you to bits if I wanted to".

All the while he was standing in dominance position - head and tail up - eyes locked onto me like he was in hunting mode - tracking me. His nips got more and more powerful until they actually hurt. Eventually he started flanking me, between me and the house, leaving me no room to manoeuvre to an escape route, sometimes darting towards me and showing me those f***ing huge teeth. So the wild animal wolf part of him had kicked in and he was actually hunting me!

I slowly walked over to the flower bed where my mate had been digging up potatoes and yanked out the garden fork. I didn't walk backwards, didn't let my posture drop, didn't break eye contact with the beast - I reckon that if I had, he would have gone in for the kill. Literally.

So I was left standing there, armed with a garden fork, shouting for my mate to come out and grab the damn wolf! He did eventually and I asked him to tie the thing up - he was still just staring at me. My mate didn't seem to think it was much of a problem, he just said, "Oh yeah, he's boisterous!". He wouldn't tie the wolf/dog up and so I told him I didn't feel safe and left.

I just wonder, are wolf/dog hybrids legal? I tell you, this thing has a BIG wild animal streak in him and last night it kicked right in. The trouble is my friend/acquaintance is a bit of a back-to the-Earth hippy (nothing wrong with that!) who has a very laissez-faire attitude to life and is happy to let the beast do whatever he wants. I have no idea where he got this thing from, I get the impression that he may well move in some decidedly dodgy circles! Who knows, this thing may not be a hybrid at all, it may actually be full wolf.
 

MichaelM

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Location
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Yes, provided they are a number of generations removed from the wolf cross( three I think, look up Czech Wolf Dog). There's a lot of cross breeding simply to make dogs look like a wolf.

I had a rather scary experience last night and I wonder what to do about it.

I went to see a friend/acquaintance of mine (we're not really close mates, just occasional friends) and he has gone and got himself a "wolf-dog". (he's a small chap and I think he suffers from "small man" syndrome).

Anyway, I was rather surprised when I walked in to be slobbered all over by something that looks bit like cross between a German shepherd, a husky and ... umm ... something from the depths of hell! He had that very long-legged, raggedy look that wild wolves have, together with the broad face and light-coloured eyes.

Apparently he is a wolf/dog hybrid, and he is huge. His paws are the size of a man's hand and when he sat beside me and yawned, his teeth were about two inches long. He weighs almost the same as I do and when he stood on his hind legs to be friendly to me, he was eye-to-eye with me, and I'm 6 feet tall! :eek:

Now, I know dogs, but the trouble is that my friend doesn't, he's never had one before. I also know that wolves are very intelligent and that they play "test-games" with each other in the pack to assert a dominance hierarchy in the pack. This usually involves testing each other physically and mentally to find the strongest wolf who then becomes the Alpha.

With normal dogs, this is typically no problem, a human is much bigger and stronger than most dogs and can easily assert dominance. Not so with this creature! He knows he is much stronger than a person. Also, I know that wolf behaviour is markedly different from dog behaviour in this regard - dogs are domesticated and typically much more docile than wolves.

This was the conclusion from early studies of an artificial pack of captive wolves (Shenkel). More recent studies (David Mech) have shown that natural packs in the wild live in family groups and do not form a dominance hierarchy.
 
http://www.pet-insurance.co.uk/hints-and-tips/legal-requirements/uk-dog-law/

It would appear yes but only if the owner is licensed to keep them as they come under the Dangerous Wild Animals Act. If she's not licensed she could be prosecuted. I'm not sure how many generations of breeding with domestic dogs would be needed before it stops being considered wild and then therefore comes under the Dogs Act instead. In any case by the sounds of its behaviour she's heading for trouble and she should have it muzzled at all times around other dogs and other people. If it bites anyone the police will definitely order its destruction.
 

Panter

Just call me Chris...
There are rules relating to it as above to exclude them from the dangerous dogs act, they have to be F2 or F3 onward, something like that, but Google will reveal all.
 

Panter

Just call me Chris...
Just a quick point re the dominance theory, I personally think it's a load of testicles. Lots of dogs are stronger than their owners, but they'll still enjoy playing tuggy with them, they'll charge through a door before you but they're not plotting to take over the world, they're just being dogs.
 
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XmisterIS

XmisterIS

Purveyor of fine nonsense
Just a quick point re the dominance theory, I personally think it's a load of testicles. Lots of dogs are stronger than their owners, but they'll still enjoy playing tuggy with them, they'll charge through a door before you but they're not plotting to take over the world, they're just being dogs.

So perhaps the beast in question here is just a bit of a psycho wild animal! I have known dogs like that too. Most dogs are docile, the odd one is a nutter. I used to work in kennels for rescue dogs many years ago as a holiday job when I was a teenager. I remember we had to put one down because it was just completely savage - it could never be safely re-homed.
 

Ravenbait

Someone's imaginary friend
If your mate has little or no experience with dogs it sounds like a training problem rather than a breed problem, as is usually the case with dogs.

One of the nicest dogs I know is a pitbull.

Sam
 
probably a good idea to get your friend to confirm what generation it is (F1 = wolf x dog, F2 = F1 x dog etc) to work out whether or not she needs a license and what the requirements are re muzzling (although personally I would muzzle it anyway just in case). Maybe obedience classes will help?
 
If your mate has little or no experience with dogs it sounds like a training problem rather than a breed problem, as is usually the case with dogs.

One of the nicest dogs I know is a pitbull.

Sam


so true
 
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He could smell your fear. generally wolves even in the wild are not dangerous to humans, sounds like the dog was just playing with you and you got spooked too much, should have smacked him across the snout and he would have backed off.
 

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