BBC helmet cam film to explore cyclist-motorist conflict

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If anyone goes out and puts them selves in situations where they could get seriously hurt for a bit of money, then they need a slap in the face.

If cyclists on this forum feel that sometimes you big up an incident or that you are making money from the videos then what sort of response will we get from angry motorist that dislike cyclists anyway, after they see the program.


Oh and I stopped a white van driver yesterday on the way home.

He had sparks coming from underneath his van. He thanked me for that. And I did not make it up and he paid me no money for this friendly advise I gave him.
 

gaz

Cycle Camera TV
Location
South Croydon
If cyclists on this forum feel that sometimes you big up an incident or that you are making money from the videos then what sort of response will we get from angry motorist that dislike cyclists anyway, after they see the program.
I suspect the response will be the same. "You don't pay any road tax, so get off the road I pay for!"
 

Herzog

Swinglish Mountain Goat
It's not just you - I think most of us enjoy the pressure cooker of learning that is the collective YouTube experience. Many situations have particular nuances and don't come up all that often, for example, so seeing someone else's experience helps me to deal with it more quickly and better myself, I'd like to think.

Couldn't agree more. I've learnt loads from your YouTube videos...and I've been commuting for ages ^_^
 

Bassjunkieuk

Veteran
Location
London
Couldn't agree more. I've learnt loads from your YouTube videos...and I've been commuting for ages ^_^
Indeed some helpful items we have gleamed from Mikey:
1. Cockney rhyming slang "James Blunt"
2. In the event that you can't reach and/or use your jersey pockets the legs of your cycle shorts can be used to stash lollies (not ice lollies...)
3. Mikey doesn't actually have a godlike sense of balance, he cheats and uses a hand!!
 
I've seen a cut of one of Gaz's interview segments. Carlton Reid posted it on BikeBiz but it has been taken down - probably due to Carlton breaking the embargo.

There were a couple of phrases used in the narration that didn't chime quite right and might raise some hackles here, but that might not be the case when Gaz is juxtaposed by another interviewee. Gaz came across well and clearly explained several aspects of commuting in London.

I was interviewed and gave consent for footage to be used. I don't know if any of my footage will make it through to the final cut. The makers intentions have changed several times. It's been a long process and cycling's profile is changing massively at the moment. There have been numerous high profile cyclists, incidents and campaigns in the news in the meantime. The mechanics of using a helmetcam have changed since they started filming. At the beginning video footage was a breakthrough for having the Met police pursue motoring offences committed against cyclists. Then, a short time later, the Met effectively cited video evidence as being a reason to dismiss any cyclist's complaint. Now Roadsafe is looking like it's going to be more effective than we could have ever thought. Motorists prosecuted for a close pass? Possibly, they've tried. Gaz's blog has documented these changes. The production team were looking at exploring this strand of the story but it has clearly being moving too fast. Edit: The YouTube environment has changed rapidly in this time as well with many different reasons and approaches to filming developing and networks of users becoming established: shock jocks, reportage, educationalists.

I think there was a request after an early edit to increase the human interest angle. This was to be done by obtaining the views of both sides in any conflict caught on camera. This wasn't to up the them and us ante, in most cases people are far more contrite when presented with their behaviour on screen, but supposedly to give an indication of the attitudes and behaviours that underlie the interactions we all have on the road. My adversary proved difficult to find as he operates under a number of aliases and I was less involved from this point.
Since then I think there have probably been the normal pressures of people trying to maintain their original concept of a project against circumstance, other editorial influences wanting it sexed-up, toned down, more human, more footage based, etc. and time.

There's no question of being able to withdraw our involvement at this stage. We've signed consent forms for a documentary examining conflict on the road caught on helmet cameras. When you agree to take part it's understood that it is on their terms. That's the risk we have to take when engaging with the media. If individuals involved have been misrepresented then it might be worth doing something about it, although despite so many people's misgivings I think misrepresentation is unlikely.

Talk of protests, letter campaigns and efforts to withdraw the programme before it's aired are over-reactions at the moment. Nobody is going to have an accurate view on this until Thursday morning, when their own and other peoples views on it have sunk in.
 

d87francis

Well-Known Member
Location
Oxford
There's no question of being able to withdraw our involvement at this stage. We've signed consent forms for a documentary examining conflict on the road caught on helmet cameras. When you agree to take part it's understood that it is on their terms. That's the risk we have to take when engaging with the media. If individuals involved have been misrepresented then it might be worth doing something about it, although despite so many people's misgivings I think misrepresentation is unlikely.

Talk of protests, letter campaigns and efforts to withdraw the programme before it's aired are over-reactions at the moment. Nobody is going to have an accurate view on this until Thursday morning, when their own and other peoples views on it have sunk in.
I agree with you on the whole here and feel you make a good point, however, if the assertions that the production company have withheld from sending copies of the program to contributors to the show are true. It does beg the questions of, were the participants asked to contribute under false terms/why would the production company feel contributors would be unhappy with the finished product. Misrepresentation doesn't have to be as direct as not stating a segment of footage is from an alleycat race rather than an ordinary commute. It could be not making it clear that incidents caught on helmet cam are a minor percentage of road behaviour that is on the whole very safe.

If this program seeks to alter the perception of safety of cycling in a negative light then we should oppose it ideologically. If this is what it turns out to do, then I would hazard a guess that many of the contributors views have been misrepresented; and BBC apologies are rarely as long as the original program correcting all of the mistakes they perpetuated, they are 20 second statements read at obscurely scheduled times. Hence the need to make sure a wildly sensationalist piece of programming that would damage the uptake of cycling isn't broadcast or is re-edited.

Let me state, I am a big fan of youtube helmet cam footage and have learn't a great deal from it. I also believe there is much needed to improve cycling through infrastructure and education, and find the level of accidents/deaths abhorrent. But on the whole it is still a safe means of transport, and we do not need a prime time program widening a myth that it isn't.
 

jarlrmai

Veteran
The statistics say it's safe but doesn't "feel" safe sometimes...
 

gaz

Cycle Camera TV
Location
South Croydon
I've seen a cut of one of Gaz's interview segments. Carlton Reid posted it on BikeBiz but it has been taken down - probably due to Carlton breaking the embargo.

There were a couple of phrases used in the narration that didn't chime quite right and might raise some hackles here, but that might not be the case when Gaz is juxtaposed by another interviewee. Gaz came across well and clearly explained several aspects of commuting in London.

I was interviewed and gave consent for footage to be used. I don't know if any of my footage will make it through to the final cut. The makers intentions have changed several times. It's been a long process and cycling's profile is changing massively at the moment. There have been numerous high profile cyclists, incidents and campaigns in the news in the meantime. The mechanics of using a helmetcam have changed since they started filming. At the beginning video footage was a breakthrough for having the Met police pursue motoring offences committed against cyclists. Then, a short time later, the Met effectively cited video evidence as being a reason to dismiss any cyclist's complaint. Now Roadsafe is looking like it's going to be more effective than we could have ever thought. Motorists prosecuted for a close pass? Possibly, they've tried. Gaz's blog has documented these changes. The production team were looking at exploring this strand of the story but it has clearly being moving too fast. Edit: The YouTube environment has changed rapidly in this time as well with many different reasons and approaches to filming developing and networks of users becoming established: shock jocks, reportage, educationalists.

I think there was a request after an early edit to increase the human interest angle. This was to be done by obtaining the views of both sides in any conflict caught on camera. This wasn't to up the them and us ante, in most cases people are far more contrite when presented with their behaviour on screen, but supposedly to give an indication of the attitudes and behaviours that underlie the interactions we all have on the road. My adversary proved difficult to find as he operates under a number of aliases and I was less involved from this point.
Since then I think there have probably been the normal pressures of people trying to maintain their original concept of a project against circumstance, other editorial influences wanting it sexed-up, toned down, more human, more footage based, etc. and time.

There's no question of being able to withdraw our involvement at this stage. We've signed consent forms for a documentary examining conflict on the road caught on helmet cameras. When you agree to take part it's understood that it is on their terms. That's the risk we have to take when engaging with the media. If individuals involved have been misrepresented then it might be worth doing something about it, although despite so many people's misgivings I think misrepresentation is unlikely.

Talk of protests, letter campaigns and efforts to withdraw the programme before it's aired are over-reactions at the moment. Nobody is going to have an accurate view on this until Thursday morning, when their own and other peoples views on it have sunk in.
A really good post. that covers so key points about how various things have moved on from when this first started. Some of which is only going to be known by those who where actually involved in it.

Magnatom and I both plan to release blog posts about the process and how things developed.
 

d87francis

Well-Known Member
Location
Oxford
Thanks Gaz, I look forward to reading yours and magnatom's responses to the program, having already seen magnatom's precursory post stating that "there is no war on Britain's roads".

Sorry to push a question again, but Gaz have you seen or been sent a copy of the show?

I hope this doesn't come across as rude, as a big admirer of your fantastic videos I'm skeptical it would be an issue, but I do worry as to whether the exuberance of being featured on a prime time documentary has temporarily blinded you to at least the message the sensationalist trailers have put across so far, if the show is to bear any resemblance to the trailers?
 

gaz

Cycle Camera TV
Location
South Croydon
Thanks Gaz, I look forward to reading yours and magnatom's responses to the program, having already seen magnatom's precursory post stating that "there is no war on Britain's roads".

Sorry to push a question again, but Gaz have you seen or been sent a copy of the show?

I hope this doesn't come across as rude, as a big admirer of your fantastic videos I'm skeptical it would be an issue, but I do worry as to whether the exuberance of being featured on a prime time documentary has temporarily blinded you to at least the message the sensationalist trailers have put across so far, if the show is to bear any resemblance to the trailers?
I have similarly done a pre-post about it on my blog, that was written before some people got hold of a copy of the video.

I have not seen a it yet.

I'm not blinded, I'm aware of various things in the media and i've been speaking to the producers about it (who assure me it's not like it's reported). I can only judge when I see it. Unfortunately the way I'm portrayed is out of my hands, they can easily misquote me or take things out of context and people watching will be none the wiser.
 

Matthew_T

"Young and Ex-whippet"
I'm not blinded, I'm aware of various things in the media and i've been speaking to the producers about it (who assure me it's not like it's reported). I can only judge when I see it. Unfortunately the way I'm portrayed is out of my hands, they can easily misquote me or take things out of context and people watching will be none the wiser.
For an interview, do you write yourself a script and try to stick to it? Or do you just try to answer questions they ask as sensibly as possible?
 

gaz

Cycle Camera TV
Location
South Croydon
For an interview, do you write yourself a script and try to stick to it? Or do you just try to answer questions they ask as sensibly as possible?
You won't know what is coming, so no chance to write a script. My technique is to listen clearly to the question, take a few seconds to think about my rough answer, and then fill in the middle sections.
I'm pretty articulate and certain things just roll off my tongue.

The thing with interviews, is they really don't care how long you take. As in general you repeat the answer in the question ( in a sensible way). e.g. "what is your favourite fruit?" "my favourite fruit is the kiwi"
 
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