BBC helmet cam film to explore cyclist-motorist conflict

[User482]

This is also true. If every single car complied, we'd have an efficient, calmer, saner, transport system.

It's just that it's as likely as the suggestion that we should simply make all cars fly to free up the roads for cycles.

So when you said "cyclists need to be overtaken" what you meant was "cyclists don't need to be overtaken"?

 

[Doug.]

Was Glasgow on the show last night then?

I missed that. you're not mistaking him for Dave "scientist" are you? (aka Magnatom of this parish)

 

[Scruffmonster]

sorry, but that's a stone cold certain fact. I can get from my place to Islington (7 miles) in 35 minutes in rush hour by Brompton and 30 minutes on the C50. It could easily take a car over an hour. Traffic speed in London has stayed at or around 9mph for decades - less when crossing the City.

As I said, average speed, yes. Which is why I agree that a blanket 20mph speed limit would no doubt improve traffic flow.

But all cycles are not faster than all cars, all of the time. Thus they need to be overtaken within the existing transport network.

 

[Scruffmonster]

So when you said "cyclists need to be overtaken" what you meant was "cyclists don't need to be overtaken"?

Do you honestly believe what you're saying? Do you consider every overtake to be unneccesary?

 

[dellzeqq]

Do you honestly believe what you're saying? Do you consider every overtake to be unneccesary?

in towns almost all.

 

[User482]

Do you honestly believe what you're saying? Do you consider every overtake to be unneccesary?

Wot Dell said. I don't have a great problem with pointless overtakes provided it's done in accordance with the Highway Code. But if there isn't room, the motorist isn't placed at any disadvantage by following the cyclist.

 

[Doug.]

Was Glasgow on the show last night then?

I missed that. you're not mistaking him for Dave "scientist" are you? (aka Magnatom of this parish)

Yes,it appears I am mistaken.
However "good luck" to all cyclists,after the "close encounter" with the lorry, I fear for us all.
Dave the "scientist",very decent of you to allow the transmition of the video,I am still shocked by it.

Yours
Doug. F.

 

[Dan B]

As I said, average speed, yes. Which is why I agree that a blanket 20mph speed limit would no doubt improve traffic flow.

But all cycles are not faster than all cars, all of the time. Thus they need to be overtaken within the existing transport network.

I am not aware of any "need" for vehicles capable of travelling at the speed limit to do so at all times or even at most times. I have read the Highway Code cover to cover and have a passing familiarity with much of the legislation on which it's based. Can you point me at your source for this?

 

[Scruffmonster]

Wot Dell said. I don't have a great problem with pointless overtakes provided it's done in accordance with the Highway Code. But if there isn't room, the motorist isn't placed at any disadvantage by following the cyclist.

We can continue to live in some made up fantasy, or we can deal with the real world.

I'd love a world in which cars moved at a maximum speed of 20mph in major metropolitajn areas but until that ever happens, we have to talk within the confines of the world we currently inhabit.

Most cars on open sections of road travel at 30mph. Most cyclists move at 15mph. That's double the speed.

Lots of overtakes could be better but they are necessary.

 

[Scruffmonster]

I am not aware of any "need" for vehicles capable of travelling at the speed limit to do so at all times or even at most times. I have read the Highway Code cover to cover and have a passing familiarity with much of the legislation on which it's based. Can you point me at your source for this?

I don't believe that I suggested there was such legislation?

 

[dellzeqq]

We can continue to live in some made up fantasy, or we can deal with the real world.

I'd love a world in which cars moved at a maximum speed of 20mph in major metropolitajn areas but until that ever happens, we have to talk within the confines of the world we currently inhabit.

Most cars on open sections of road travel at 30mph. Most cyclists move at 15mph. That's double the speed.

Lots of overtakes could be better but they are necessary.

most of the time they're travelling at under ten miles an hour.

By the way, Crock, nobody's interested in your undoubted athleticism. The big news is that Agent Hilda, riding her Brompton, is faster than a car in rush hour.

 

[Scruffmonster]

most of the time they're travelling at under ten miles an hour.

Maybe I have a skewed perception of London to most. My commute is 22 Miles from Kent to West Ken. 80-90% of that is on faster moving roads where overtakes are constant.

Perhaps if I commuted from She Bu to the City every day I'd have a more condensed opinion.

 

[Dan B]

I don't believe that I suggested there was such legislation?

On what basis then are these overtakes necessary? They're not necessary to getting anywhere faster, they're not required by law, I'm struggling to think of any other grounds. Are you saying that car drivers are unable to exercise proper control of their vehicles at 12mph?

 

[Grendel]

As you have said, many cyclists would have come behind me and in front of the taxi, that is the way this junction works.
I would have gone on the same green that he did, and look how long it took for him to catch me up, I think that backs up the notion of more cyclists being behind me.
Sittingduck has already said he recongises this taxi from around the same time as it was filmed as it cut him up as well.


No, I was not the first cyclist to be contacted, in fact they were only aware of me after magnatom pointed them in my direction.


It's Croydon Road A222 going out of elmers end. a hump back bridge.
I sounded a bit out of breath when the driver got out as I was giving it my all over there, I don't want to hold people up.

It's been a tough day, i'm more annoyed because the mail is reporting that I'm getting death threats. Which is not true. A few people have said some crap on twitter, not directly too me and that is no worse that what I get on youtube daily.

Having only read a fraction of the Daily Mail comments I've had to give up. I feel dirty and need a bath.

 

[BentMikey]

where is that bridge, Loco? It looks familiar, but I can't place it.

I think it's this one near Beckenham, might be facing the wrong direction in Streetview:

http://goo.gl/maps/umHEd