Bike vs HGV

[Dan B]

Either we stop that alltogether and ditch cycle lanes or we have them treated correctly as another lane of traffic. In the same way as if a vehicle turned left from the outside lane of a dual carriageway they would be at fault for hitting anything in the inside lane.

Difficult to see how the second alternative would work when the HGV is not allowed in the inside lane nor narrow enough to fit in it. I incline to the first: cycle lanes should not take cyclists into dangerous positions. You wouldn't have a straight-ahead lane for cars positioned the the left of a left filter lane, why is it ok for cyclists?

 

[MacB]

Difficult to see how the second alternative would work when the HGV is not allowed in the inside lane nor narrow enough to fit in it. I incline to the first: cycle lanes should not take cyclists into dangerous positions. You wouldn't have a straight-ahead lane for cars positioned the the left of a left filter lane, why is it ok for cyclists?

Oh I agree, I started out thinking on road cycle lanes were great and gradually started to dislike them, depending on location and design though. There are some faster A/B roads that have excellent lanes on them though they tend to be too narrow. In traffic I feel safer mixing with the traffic and will wait in line rather than filter a lot of the time.

 

[Scilly Suffolk]

I think "might is right" was replaced a long time ago by decision making that was a bit more open.

No need to duck Strawman, it's gone right over your head!

I wasn't making a case for "right" or "wrong", but for "dead" or "alive".

 

[Bayerd]

Then there are the cyclists that are there first and a large vehicle pulls alongside.

That's a different scenario as the HGV driver will know of your presence as he/she saw you on approach.

 

[growingvegetables]

This is a cycling forum, so let's concentrate on educating the cyclists about what they can do to help here. There's little to be gained by deflecting onto what lorry drivers should have done on this forum.

+1

OK - it was staged for the camera (thank goodness!); but I'm still struggling to understand some of the "blame-placing" going on in here. Lots and lots on the driver, truck operators, etc etc ......

But come on, guys. Go back to the video - don't watch this time, just listen ................. to the tick-tick-tick-tick-tick of the indicator flashing. It may have gone on late - but still before the cyclist came over the horizon!

 

[Hip Priest]

If I hadn't come on here when I started riding, I don't think I'd have known not to go up the inside of large vehicles. Therefore, you lot probably saved my life and I shall allow you all my daughter's hand in marriage.

 

[cyberknight]

If I hadn't come on here when I started riding, I don't think I'd have known not to go up the inside of large vehicles. Therefore, you lot probably saved my life and I shall allow you all my daughter's hand in marriage.

My wife might get a bit jealous , mind you it would save me having to do the housework at the weekend while she sits on her ass all week watching tv................yeah we nearly split up earlier this year .

 

[Dan_h]

Let me know where the roundabouts are on shared-use paths, won't you?

Sorry that was in response to your blanket statement that squishier road users have priority, something that is not true, and frankly a slightly ridiculous statement. Priority is not and has never been based on the vulnerability of road users and if you believe that being more vulnerable gives you priority then quite frankly I am amazed you are still alive.

 

[Little yellow Brompton]

Not trying to get into the usual shouting match with LYB, as it's never fun and gets nowhere.
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I'm not quite sure what you count as a "shouting match" , to my knowledge I never "shout" here, and I don't think I have ever resorted to personal name calling or focused on any personality. I try to make my posts factual and if I make a mistake in my data recognise and apologise. As for getting nowhere, there are very many ideas which are taken as "obvious" or "common sense" if I disagree with them I may well decide to challenge those. Even if no one ever jumps up and says " Do you know , I never realised it before , but you are right!" by planting the seed there may be a chance that somone, eventually may, possibly start to think from more than the obvious perpsective that their present worldview restricts them to. Challenging thoughts might not be seen as "fun" , but then that's not their intent. Fun is to be found on the bile , or in the pub/cafe, or in telling/reading a ride story.

 

[doog]

Hard to see how you missed it as it's your assumption in the first place, not that of the author of those posts. 49 most notably suggests putting a second man in the cab: how you infer from that that he thinks the driver should get out each time he stops is beyond me.

so you are the guy who takes every single post literally eh ....this could be fun...

LYB suggests a second man in the cab...it wont happen, so whats the 'alternative' in the fantasy world of 'all HGV drivers are killers' ? perhaps you can enlighten us all

 

[DresdenDoom]

Always assuming they haven't forgotten about you in the intervening interval.

<troll bait acccepted> If you knew any truck drivers you'd know that driving is all they do and all they think about. They are professionals and these days even have certificates to prove it.

They haven't forgotten you.

 

[Little yellow Brompton]

so you are the guy who takes every single post literally eh ....this could be fun...

LYB suggests a second man in the cab...it wont happen, so whats the 'alternative' in the fantasy world of 'all HGV drivers are killers' ? perhaps you can enlighten us all

It won't happen? Really? I can remember when it used to...

Want to fill us in on the reasons why" it won't happen" again?

 

[Little yellow Brompton]

<troll bait acccepted> If you knew any truck drivers you'd know that driving is all they do and all they think about. They are professionals and these days even have certificates to prove it.

They haven't forgotten you.

How do they manage to forget those bollards and railings ?

 

[MacB]

<troll bait acccepted> If you knew any truck drivers you'd know that driving is all they do and all they think about. They are professionals and these days even have certificates to prove it.

They haven't forgotten you.

Ok, so when a vehicle, that has blind spots, approaches a stopping point every driver will memorise everything in that area that will no longer be visible once stopped? Then there will be no forgetfulness and nothing else will occur that will distract them?

 

[MacB]

[QUOTE 1647805, member: 3143"]Not quite sure what you are getting at here, but approaching a stopping point there are no blind spots.[/quote]

It's fairly straight forward, example, lights ahead, cyclist already stopped at lights on the left, lorry approaching, if lorry stops at lights cyclist will no longer be visible.