Blue Mini HS03 FXF

[JamesAC]

[QUOTE 1359660"]
If you are going to cut n paste hugh swaths of the HC, please make sure it is relevant (again).

Rule 166, I don't know why you have posted this rule. You can see from the vid that the junction is open and the road is straight.

Rule 167 'might' being the key word here. The driver did not come into conflict with the cyclist because the cyclist did not have to change speed or direction. Unless you can give me your own defintion of confict - just make sure it is relevant please.

Ta mulchy.
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I think the relevant definition is that of "might", not "conflict". The HC code says that it is not necessary that conflict will happen, rather that there is a possibility of conflict.

 

[BSRU]

[QUOTE 1359662"]
Eh? Don't go changing the parameters now to your original question. Remember you asked me, and I gave an answer based on my own (and quite frankly glorious experience) of riding a low racer at speed and coming to a controlled stop.

As for the question that you are asking now - at what speed is the woman going? I need to know the speed before I can give an answer.





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I realised that you stated braking distance of 17 metres but you do not mention the speed, if it is not 10mph, as already mentioned, then it is a pointless comparison.
Also a cars braking distance at 30mph is 14 metres still 3 metres earlier than you if your information relates to 30mph, still leaving out the thinking distance which is another 9 metres at 30mph.

No one's changed parameters but someone has forgotten that the bike is in the video and can quite easily be seen it is not a low racer bent with BB7's front and back.

A 5 metre safety margin is a minimum for a car and the mini gave 2 metres at best.

 

[Mr Celine]

[QUOTE 1359651"]
4. Nothing at all. Except 'not making progress' is markable on a driving test.


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I watched the video several times but can't see the L plates. Or an examiner.

Never mind, I'm sure the driver would have failed for not indicating when overtaking BSRU.

My examiner was a cyclist and it was known that he would fail anyone who gave a cyclist less than 6 feet when overtaking. And that was when going straight on.

 

[snorri]

Rule 130, diagonal stripes bordered by a broken line you should not enter the area unless necessary.

 

[TheDoctor]

Or a waiting-for-ten-seconds video...

 

[snorri]

[QUOTE 1359670"]
It was either that or we'd be looking at a close pass video as well.
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There was no need to pass.

 

[stowie]

A careful and considerate driver would have overtaken the first cyclist and waited behind the second with the child to make sure there wasn't conflict. The turn was close enough for the car to be turning across the cyclist's path, fortunately they were cycling slowly.

If the driver had been waving arms around for slowing them down for 10s at the pinch point, do we think that she timed the overtake and turn-in with racing-driver precision, or it was just down to luck that her timing didn't create an accident?

I would wager that the physics of the situation wasn't examined in great detail by her whilst she overtook both cyclists. Is it possibly more likely that she got aggrieved at waiting for a second for the first cyclist and was so busy with indignation that she didn't see / didn't care about the second?

 

[BSRU]

No it was 2 metres at best.

The quoted distance for a car is based on an average saloon, your experience would be more akin to a high performance sports car which would obviously brake alot quicker than an average saloon.

Since the thinking time for a car or a bicycle is the same, 9 metres you are implying that you can brake from 30mph in just 8 metres, at 30mph you are travelling at over 13.4 metres per second, so you some how can go from 30 mph to a stop in 0.6 seconds, someone's barking and howling at the moon now.

I'll leave this particular discussion now as there is no arguing with fantasy figures like that.

 

[Mr Celine]

[QUOTE 1359668"]
There is no one behind the Mini and BRSU is more concerned with what is front of him then behind therefore there is no need to give a signal.
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And how does the mini driver know that? Were they watching BSRU's video? Is it likely that someone with such poor observational skills could effectively use their mirrors? What was the point of signalling the left turn?

 

[snorri]

[QUOTE 1359673"]
Be pragmatic. You seriously suggesting that the car should wait behind BRSU becuase they are not allowed to go into the Chevrons to perform a safe overtake?
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Absolutely.
The driver knows they are close to a junction where they will turn left, but decides it is "necessary" to overtake two cyclists some distance apart, before executing the turn.

 

[slowmotion]

It wasn't ideal, but I wouldn't call that a left hook. Maybe I have become brutalised by London. The cyclist didn't have to alter direction and had no need to brake. Weaving in front of the bike might have seemed alarming however. Inconsiderate and stupid rather than out-and-out dangerous, perhaps?

 

[stowie]

[QUOTE 1359673"]
Be pragmatic. You seriously suggesting that the car should wait behind BRSU becuase they are not allowed to go into the Chevrons to perform a safe overtake?
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Maybe they should have waited behind BRSU because it would cost them a couple of seconds but save having to execute a potentially dangerous overtake and turn.

What is wrong with the mindset that says "I am turning in a short while, not a lot of point overtaking the cyclists as it won't buy me more than a couple of seconds which is not worth the risk".

Nothing in this video gave me a feeling that the driver had any idea how to act around cyclists.

 

[mickle]

'MINI's are made by BMW. Say no more.

 

[Night Train]

As a driver, here is my take on the video and what it appears to show me.

The Mini should not have over taken the OP at that point. The op was at a junction with a minor road and there were hatchings warning of a hazard, the approaching right turn lane.

Although the overtake would have been legal and on its own would not have been an issue it was unnecessary as the Mini was going to turn left immediately after the over take.

However, given the overtake of the OP the Mini was accelerating to overtake at a point where it should have been slowing for the junction.

The Mini was then too fast for the junction and was left undecided as to whether to emergency brake and turn after the parent cyclist had passed the junction or to accellerate and over take again before turning left.
The hesitation caused the proximity of the parent cyclist to have moved too close to the junction for either option to have been appropriate. The Mini should then have either stopped to let the parent cyclist clear the junction first or carry on ahead and miss the turn.


The Mini was at fault for initiating an over take that was unnecessary and also not making good observation of the road ahead to spot and allow for the parent cyclist who would have been visible. The actions of the Mini put the parent cyclist at risk due to a 'left hook' and overtaking at a junction.

It could also be considered a close pass as if there had been traffic looking to emerge from the junction the parent cyclist may have been looking to take primary position which would have lead to a collision with the overtaking Mini.

Were I to be driving the Mini, based on what I can see in the video, I would have been slowing early for both the hazard markings and the left turn and waited behind the OP and turned left without an overtake as it would have been the safest course of action.

 

[Lurker]

As a driver, here is my take on the video and what it appears to show me.

The Mini should not have over taken the OP at that point. The op was at a junction with a minor road and there were hatchings warning of a hazard, the approaching right turn lane.

Although the overtake would have been legal and on its own would not have been an issue it was unnecessary as the Mini was going to turn left immediately after the over take.

However .... were I to be driving the Mini, based on what I can see in the video, I would have been slowing early for both the hazard markings and the left turn and waited behind the OP and turned left without an overtake as it would have been the safest course of action.

+1

This driver should learn to read the road, slow down a bit, and not react to imagined slight by waving her arm in the air. 'Careful and competent driver'? I think not.