What do you make of this story?
http://cambridge-news.co.uk/news/city/2007/10/18/7c2fa58d-d59d-428d-887c-463e7612c3e9.lpf
http://cambridge-news.co.uk/news/city/2007/10/18/7c2fa58d-d59d-428d-887c-463e7612c3e9.lpf
Careful with that inside filtering...
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The driver was waiting to turn right, he was flashed by another driver to proceed when a gap appeared, but hit a cyclist passing on the inside? That doesn't make sense does it?
Surely if he's turning right the only time he could hit her would be when she was overtaking on the outside.
Surely if he's turning right the only time he could hit her would be when she was overtaking on the outside.
stu20001
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I think it means she was overtaking the car that was flashing i.e. she was coming from the opposite direction
PrettyboyTim
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Peyote said:
No, the cyclist was cycling on the inside of the car coming the other direction. I'm a bit surprised that he got four points on his license though.
stu20001
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Yep - saw a bloke go over the bonnet of a car that someone had let turn right into a side road off West Hill in Putney. To be honest, I know the driver was technically in the wrong and should have been aware but so should he - in rush hour on a busy road you should be know that thats a possibility.
LordoftheTeapot
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The flashing of car lights has no legal meaning. It is accepted that it usually means 'after you' type of thing. It can also mean 'watch out' or 'look out' as a warning type of thing.
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Lord of the Teapot said:
it is, like the horn, regarded as "warning of your presence", nothing more.
PrettyboyTim
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I had the same thing happen to me many years ago ... a stream of traffic was passing me and a car in front of me slowed and stopped (I had assumed to turn right) but was actually letting someone in.
I *almost* missed them.
Swerved, caught the back bumper and flew over the handlebars. It resulted in a few grazes, but my front forks were bent in the wrong direction after that...
Had to carry the bike home, and I don't think I ever rode it again.
I *almost* missed them.
Swerved, caught the back bumper and flew over the handlebars. It resulted in a few grazes, but my front forks were bent in the wrong direction after that...
Had to carry the bike home, and I don't think I ever rode it again.
Eat MY Dust
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This happened to me a few years ago when I wasn't so savvy about how invisible I was to other road users. 6 days later at the very same junction, someone flashed a driver out when I was within about 6ft of the car, you got it, I hit that car as well!!!!!!! That's when I started overtaking!!!
BTW just out of interest, the 2nd driver didn't even bother to stop. Charming!
BTW just out of interest, the 2nd driver didn't even bother to stop. Charming!
B)CarnageAX
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This is a common incident on journeys in and around towns.
Car drivers are not expecting anything undertaking a car that has stopped to let them through. That is why it is better to overtake cars in the middle of slow moving traffic to be more visible to other road users (more room there too).
Even though I disagree with elderly people driving (slow reactions, vehicular control...yada yada yada) but 4 points seems a little harsh, he might be dead by the time they are removed from his license.
Car drivers are not expecting anything undertaking a car that has stopped to let them through. That is why it is better to overtake cars in the middle of slow moving traffic to be more visible to other road users (more room there too).
Even though I disagree with elderly people driving (slow reactions, vehicular control...yada yada yada) but 4 points seems a little harsh, he might be dead by the time they are removed from his license.
Remember, this is in Cambridge. The bloke is a local. If you're not expecting to see bikes undertaking in Cambridge then you really, really should.
I'm not trying to say that the cyclist was smart here, I mean you have to be really careful at turn offs and keep your wits about you and it sounds a little like the cyclist didn't. But at the same time, it really doesn't work for me that a local motorist didn't see that coming.
I'm not trying to say that the cyclist was smart here, I mean you have to be really careful at turn offs and keep your wits about you and it sounds a little like the cyclist didn't. But at the same time, it really doesn't work for me that a local motorist didn't see that coming.
I do a lot of filtering, and this scenario is one I am alert to. It was dark, I'd certainly have noticed the car I was passing flashing it's headlights and realized what it signified. But
Flashing lights means nothing in law or the Highway Code and it is therefore incorrect to use it as a signal. Any interpretation of it is no more than a guess, the turning motorist should not has assumed that anyone was stopping for them on the basis of this. Traffic turning should watch out for and give way to all oncoming traffic, so the Court was right to penalize the motorist. Not to have done so would set a legal precedent that would work against cyclists in future.
Flashing lights means nothing in law or the Highway Code and it is therefore incorrect to use it as a signal. Any interpretation of it is no more than a guess, the turning motorist should not has assumed that anyone was stopping for them on the basis of this. Traffic turning should watch out for and give way to all oncoming traffic, so the Court was right to penalize the motorist. Not to have done so would set a legal precedent that would work against cyclists in future.
