Commuter killed this morning, Victoria Street, London (8th April) - RIP

[BentMikey]

I don't see it being mentioned very often, but I think one key area where commercial vehicle safety could be massively improved is pay methods. No owner/driver should ever be allowed to be paid by trip. It's probably slightly more complex than this simplification, but paying by trip encourages impatient speedy driving. Driving should never be subject to this sort of pressure.

 

[glenn forger]

Or extend the HSE remit. This lorry could have been on the way to a site that boasted "Zero Injuries".

 

[BentMikey]

Or extend the HSE remit. This lorry could have been on the way to a site that boasted "Zero Injuries".

Yes! This additionally.

 

[GrumpyGregry]

Or extend the HSE remit. This lorry could have been on the way to a site that boasted "Zero Injuries".

I had a murderously close pass y'day from a scaffold lorry. On the company web-site home page they boast of how seriously they take Health & Safety. But only once on site it seems.

 

[snailracer]

Are there stats of the results of ped-cyclists collisions and analysis of who comes off worse? Where is it held?

Somewhere in here:

https://www.gov.uk/government/organ...t/series/road-accidents-and-safety-statistics

IIRC, in a typical year, ped-cyclist collisions result in 0.5 pedestrian deaths compared to roughly 12 cyclist deaths.

 

[BentMikey]

Somewhere in here:

https://www.gov.uk/government/organ...t/series/road-accidents-and-safety-statistics

IIRC, in a typical year, ped-cyclist collisions result in 0.5 pedestrian deaths compared to roughly 12 cyclist deaths.

Very good, thank you. I'm not too surprised by this, as it matches what I'd expect given the physics.

 

[dellzeqq]

Those LCC figures of:

5% of vehicles (HGV) involved in 50% of cyclist fatalities.
and 75% of those fatalities involved construction lorries.

I don't know what proportion of London HGVs are construction trade, certainly not 75%, but it does show where the problem lies. Sure, cyclists should do everything in their power to treat HGVs of all types with extreme care whenever they can but I wonder whether new cyclists can ever fully comprehend just how dangerous a vehicle can be but still be licensed to drive on roads for which they were definitely not designed and on which they kill disproportionately and with sickening regularity.

yes indeed. Unfortunately it took them six years to recognise the fact. And they are completely and wilfully clueless about the available remedy

 

[dellzeqq]

I thought it was obvious?

why do you think it is obvious?

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

...the available remedy....

Which is? I'm not sure what it is nor why it's singular.

 

[400bhp]

If I'm walking down the pavement while operating a chainsaw, and someone runs out of a shop ahead of me and the chainsaw severs one of their limbs, who is to blame?

That would be a bit weird and you would be arrested.

 

[Dan B]

That would be a bit weird and you would be arrested.

I wonder if we could extend the principle to other people operating potentially legal machinery in public places ...

 

[400bhp]

Is it legal to do what you were suggesting then?

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

Is it legal to do what you were suggesting then?

I'm sure it was a typo for lethal but I don't know how those vehicles are legal anyway.

 

[400bhp]

I'm sure it was a typo for lethal but I don't know how those vehicles are legal anyway.

nope

 

[jonny jeez]

Threads like this depress me.

A talented, successful, contributing, young person has died and we seem to have filled 5 pages arguing amongst ourselves.

I cant imagine how Dr Giles Family are feeling right now but I'm sure they would find little comfort from reading this thread.

*Edit* my apologies to those who have shown their respect, I'm a little grumpy tonight.