Coronavirus outbreak

[Joey Shabadoo]

This is one of those times when the BBC needs it's arse kicked. There's no need for "balanced" reporting about masks where you give equal time to Sharon on Facebook.

 

[Tanis8472]

I see you

 

[mjr]

i reckon the lockdown will prove to be totally pointless, and a Swedish-style "just be sensible" advice message would achieve a similar outcome without the economic carnage.

The Sweden that's the only European country with a higher per capita current death rate than the UK?

 

[DaveReading]

I had a nasty dose of the measles when I was a youngster, made me properly ill. I've never caught it again since though.

You do realise that that's nowhere close to being evidence that catching Covid once confers immunity ?

 

[SkipdiverJohn]

The Sweden that's the only European country with a higher per capita current death rate than the UK?

That'll be the Sweden that will suffer minimally relatively speaking from the virus and will recover the most quickly from it, whilst most of the EU are still trying to figure out a way of getting someone else to bankroll their coronavirus rescue economic plan. Unfortunately for them, the UK has now Brexited, so they will be paying for their own shoot show for a change, and the Frugal Four won't be rolling over.

 

[lane]

i reckon the lockdown will prove to be totally pointless, and a Swedish-style "just be sensible" advice message would achieve a similar outcome without the economic carnage. Trying to suppress the virus for months is likely just to result in a disastrously deadly winter flu + coronavirus 2nd wave season instead. Once the NHS critical care capacity had been boosted, they would have been better off just letting the virus loose so millions of the healthy population could get it and be done with. I had a nasty dose of the measles when I was a youngster, made me properly ill. I've never caught it again since though. If I worked in a high risk public contact job I would rather catch the coronavirus early on and get it over with, knowing that afterwards you can forget about it.

Problem with what you suggest is that it was, and is, not possible.

 

[mjr]

That'll be the Sweden that will suffer minimally relatively speaking from the virus and will recover the most quickly from it, whilst most of the EU are still trying to figure out a way of getting someone else to bankroll their coronavirus rescue economic plan. Unfortunately for them, the UK has now Brexited, so they will be paying for their own shoot show for a change, and the Frugal Four won't be rolling over.

That's some new and exciting meaning of minimal suffering, killing thousands unnecessarily. The long term economic damage of that will probably far outweigh the short term benefit.

And how can the frugal four refuse anything? I thought you said EU member states had no option other than to do what they're told? Are you saying that's wrong and the UK ended up a net contributor because its government agreed to be?

 

[Johnno260]

The news that the government is urging home workers back to work, I’m not happy about, my firm will see this as a green light and to be honest I’m not comfortable with it.

My offices are shared with 3 other companies, who my firm have no control over.

Fully waiting on the email saying be at the office or find a new job, as that’s what we were told when home working was a suggestion 3 months ago.

Also childcare is still an issue as not all the nurseries are open and before/after school clubs aren’t running, this will cause some problems.

 

[tom73]

The news that the government is urging home workers back to work, I’m not happy about, my firm will see this as a green light and to be honest I’m not comfortable with it.

My offices are shared with 3 other companies, who my firm have no control over.

Fully waiting on the email saying be at the office or find a new job, as that’s what we were told when home working was a suggestion 3 months ago.

Also childcare is still an issue as not all the nurseries are open and before/after school clubs aren’t running, this will cause some problems.

Yep here we go again with mixed messages yet again and what a great way to go about giving out a change in policy via facebook q and a.
The whole situation is now way out of control which in lockdown was one thing but now in all out go and get back to normal mode.
It's a total balls up which will sadly cost many more lives and end up costing even more money. The rate at which placers have just let things go even in the last few days is alarming. It's hard to find anyone even remotely interested about keeping safe. Government is hell bent on opening the economy at all cost leaving what little science they did bother to read. Behind as they all make a mad rush to "dine out to help out" and lost one in pub get's the drinks in. With the right measures in place and the right messages it is possible to get out of this but this dog's dinner of a situation has left that dead in water.

 

[SkipdiverJohn]

The whole situation is now way out of control which in lockdown was one thing but now in all out go and get back to normal mode.
It's a total balls up which will sadly cost many more lives and end up costing even more money. The rate at which placers have just let things go even in the last few days is alarming. It's hard to find anyone even remotely interested about keeping safe.

Lockdown compliance was never going to hold up for an extended time. The trouble is that people like you who believe in all this lockdown nonsense expect everybody else to also believe in it and comply with it too - but in the real world it ain't gonna happen as you are now starting to realise.
A good proportion of the population are heartily sick of the lockdown, really don't give a toss about the virus, and are fully intent on going back to working and socialising as normal. You won't agree with that stance, but you're going to have to deal with it, because that's the reality of the situation.
I've noticed a significant reduction in mask wearing in public over the last week or two. The last time I walked through a busy high street a couple of days ago I did a mask count, and only about 1 in 8 shoppers were wearing them. A month or two ago it was about 1 in 5. Even on buses, where masks are supposedly mandated, at least a quarter of passengers aren't wearing them, and a lot more are deliberately mis-wearing them so they are only really there for show.

 

[gbb]

And as a further indicator of some peoples stupidity and stubborness, the guy that was tasked with keeping the agency staff socially distanced and complying with the one way system at work...has had his car keyed...twice.
We have apparently had 18 cases over a period at work....says it all. Stupid stupid people I'm beginning to lose respect for.

 

[SkipdiverJohn]

And as a further indicator of some peoples stupidity and stubborness, the guy that was tasked with keeping the agency staff socially distanced and complying with the one way system at work...has had his car keyed...twice.

Why are you even surprised at this? Try bossing people around like naughty kids and you'll get that sort of reaction. I was talking to some Poles the other day, commented on the social distancing - or the lack of. They just started laughing and gesticulating with their hands and making comments to the effect of bollox to the virus, we don't care!

 

[Joey Shabadoo]

View: https://youtu.be/tldGgGFe194

 

[PeteXXX]

A lot of the Eastern Europeans, at my place of work, are going back to shaking hands again.
I used to, as I get on well with them, but not now..

 

[stowie]

Lockdown compliance was never going to hold up for an extended time. The trouble is that people like you who believe in all this lockdown nonsense expect everybody else to also believe in it and comply with it too - but in the real world it ain't gonna happen as you are now starting to realise.

Lockdown nonsense. FFS. How do you think that the infection curve and R rate was reversed during lockdown? The virus elves? In "the real world" when there is no vaccine or effective treatment, isolating the virus is the only way to stop it or slow it. Unless you are happy with most of the population getting it and significant numbers of people dying or having long-term after effects.

A good proportion of the population are heartily sick of the lockdown, really don't give a toss about the virus, and are fully intent on going back to working and socialising as normal. You won't agree with that stance, but you're going to have to deal with it, because that's the reality of the situation.

I'll tell you what would make them more sick than lockdown - COVID19. Humans have an appalling ability at being able to assess risk. My next-door neighbour got COVID early during the lockdown. He is late 30's and fit. He was very ill for a month and is still in recovery phase. My uncle-in-law got COVID more recently. He wasn't so lucky. He spent 2 weeks in ICU on a ventilator and now is on dialysis because it caused his kidneys to pack up. He is in his 70's but had no underlying health conditions. Those ignoring all the rules - like the anti-vaxxers - are using the compliance of others to keep themselves safe.