Coronavirus outbreak

[tom73]

Pretty much sums up how some still believe it's nothing to worry about.

“Three main factors stand in the way of prevention: First, public indifference. People do not appreciate the risks they run. The second factor.....is the personal character of the measures which must be employed...It does not lie in human nature for a man who thinks he has only a slight cold to shut himself up in rigid isolation... Third, the highly infectious nature of the respiratory infections adds to the difficulty of their control.”
Major George A Soper, 1919, The Lessons of the Pandemic, Science

Some will never learn

 

[PK99]

Don't know about new zealand but coronavirus arrived in the UK at least 1300 hundred separate times.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-52993734

I know Iceland did genetic study. Iceland was unlucky as had big enough air links to the UK and Germany to have it imported on lots of different occasions.

Not at all surprising - in March/April the Foreign Office crisis support team had 300,000 Brits seeking emergency repatriation assistance from just about every country in the world. Plus the 100's of 1000's who made it back under their own steam of with the assistance of travel firms - as the linked article says 20,000 arrivals per day in Mid March from Spain,

 

[IaninSheffield]

Wonder whether US healthcare insurance companies will be paying out for the cost of care for those who contract COVID as a result of attending a 'party'?

 

[tom73]

Just when the message look's to be starting to shift we get this. Michael this is a public health emergency are you happy for a surgeon to use common sense and not cut off the wrong leg? Or do you expect someone to put in place measures to stop it happening?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53381000

 

[Inertia]

Just when the message look's to be starting to shift we get this. Michael this is a public health emergency are you happy for a surgeon to use common sense and not cut off the wrong leg? Or do you expect someone to put in place measures to stop it happening?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53381000

Common sense, sound like a way for any calls for clarity to be classed as calling people stupid. At least make a recommendation even if you don't make it compulsory.

Tell us what, ideally, you want from us!

 

[Unkraut]

Remote geography, island nation, low population, and only low levels of air travel from other countries.You don't just decide on a whim to hop on a plane and go to NZ for a long weekend, as a lot of people do between countries in western Europe. There's massively less mixing of international travellers between countries, so the conduit for virus transmission in NZ simply didn't exist to anything like the degree of most countries that were much worst hit by the virus.

Not so. When my better half and younger daughter were in NZ at the beginning of the pandemic they encountered tourists from all over the globe, but especially South-East Asia. This was early March. Very easy for the virus to be imported and spread rapidly amongst the population in contact with tourists, who could spread it amongst themselves.

The authorities really did react surprisingly quickly and I can well imagine averted worse, both in terms of the virus itself and the economic damage a prolonged lockdown will bring with it. Some tourist sites didn't wait for the government but closed down quickly.

... in March/April the Foreign Office crisis support team had 300,000 Brits seeking emergency repatriation assistance

The last time I asked, my wife would still be in NZ if she had had to rely on dynamic Boris Johnson and his government getting on with repatriation. Regardless of party political considerations he is simply useless in a crisis.

 

[classic33]

Take it with a pinch of salt because it's the Indy - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...texas-man-dies-covid-party-hoax-a9614231.html

Lots of people reporting the initial report but no primary source.

https://news4sanantonio.com/news/lo...in-their-30s-dies-after-attending-covid-party

 

[a.twiddler]

This reminds me of the time before there was an effective MMR vaccine. Granted, measles is not the coronavirus, but it still has percentage of risk of some serious and life threatening consequences. There used to be "measles parties" where if a kid had it, other parents would bring their kids to visit in the expectation that they would catch it in a sort of controlled way, and once having got over it, would be immune. Herd immunity I suppose, but not without risk. At least this had a rationale. Nobody thought measles, or mumps or rubella were hoaxes.

I suppose the next thing will be that once an effective coronavirus vaccine is developed, the anti vaxxers will rise to the challenge and start propagating their dangerous unscientific nonsense as they have done with MMR and other vaccines. The Americans have not got the monopoly on conspiracy theories.

 

[marinyork]

Potentially significant story and bad news.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-19-could-be-lost-in-months-uk-study-suggests

Uk robust antibody study Shows a range of responses and immunity/partial immunity may only be for some months, three being a number plucked out. Hard numbers, unclear what levels of antibodies means not infected/less ill and so on in the real world.

Not that particular antibodies are the be all and end all, the immune system is much more complicated than that.

 

[SkipdiverJohn]

This reminds me of the time before there was an effective MMR vaccine. Granted, measles is not the coronavirus, but it still has percentage of risk of some serious and life threatening consequences..........
once an effective coronavirus vaccine is developed, the anti vaxxers will rise to the challenge and start propagating their dangerous unscientific nonsense as they have done with MMR and other vaccines.

I've had measles as a youngster and I'm pretty certain I also had the coronavirus in March, and given the choice, I'd opt for coronavirus every time. Measles made me feel more ill and took longer to recover from. No need for virus parties when I had the measles, half my class at school was going down with it one after the other. Seem to remember even some teachers got it.
Unfortunately, the medical authorities have made a rod for their own back with MMR, by insisting on giving the combined vaccine, not all separate ones. It's this aspect that caused a lot of people to refuse it, and gave the anti-vaxxers ammunition.

 

[Slick]

I've had measles as a youngster and I'm pretty certain I also had the coronavirus in March, and given the choice, I'd opt for coronavirus every time. Measles made me feel more ill and took longer to recover from. No need for virus parties when I had the measles, half my class at school was going down with it one after the other. Seem to remember even some teachers got it.
Unfortunately, the medical authorities have made a rod for their own back with MMR, by insisting on giving the combined vaccine, not all separate ones. It's this aspect that caused a lot of people to refuse it, and gave the anti-vaxxers ammunition.

This really is beyond the pale.

 

[Rusty Nails]

This really is beyond the pale.

It reminds me of Eric Morecambe's piano playing joke.

All the right words, but in the wrong order.

 

[Julia9054]

Unfortunately, the medical authorities have made a rod for their own back with MMR, by insisting on giving the combined vaccine, not all separate ones. It's this aspect that caused a lot of people to refuse it, and gave the anti-vaxxers ammunition.

No evidence that single vaccines are safer/reduce side effects. Evidence that if parents have to bring their children for 6 different appointments rather than 2 that a significant proportion will miss one or more and full immunity will not be conferred

 

[Rocky]

Has Andrew Wakefield joined CC?

 

[classic33]

I've had measles as a youngster and I'm pretty certain I also had the coronavirus in March, and given the choice, I'd opt for coronavirus every time. Measles made me feel more ill and took longer to recover from. No need for virus parties when I had the measles, half my class at school was going down with it one after the other. Seem to remember even some teachers got it.
Unfortunately, the medical authorities have made a rod for their own back with MMR, by insisting on giving the combined vaccine, not all separate ones. It's this aspect that caused a lot of people to refuse it, and gave the anti-vaxxers ammunition.

Friday you were saying you would prefer to catch it early on, now you're "pretty certain" you've already had it. Which is it?