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AndyRM

XOXO
Location
North Shields
That was pathetic to be quite honest. I'd rather we lost the game going down all guns blazing than that tepid nonsense. Utterly, utterly pointless and really disappointing.
 
I'd rather we lost the game going down all guns blazing than that tepid nonsense
Ditto.

But unfortunately, there are two other factors:
- winning the series (you can't, if you lose the 1st test of 2); and
- the world test ranking champs thingy.

So results matter, and a draw beats a loss (under the current systems).

(on the plus side, it keeps us from talking about Robinson :P )
 

deptfordmarmoset

Full time tea drinker
Location
Armonmy Way
Ditto.

But unfortunately, there are two other factors:
- winning the series (you can't, if you lose the 1st test of 2); and
- the world test ranking champs thingy.

So results matter, and a draw beats a loss (under the current systems).

(on the plus side, it keeps us from talking about Robinson :P )
I suppose that if we have to rummage around for positives, England finally managed to dig in and play something vaguely resembling Test cricket. Shame they didn't do that in the first innings. Shame they didn't do that for several years, others might say....
 

T4tomo

Legendary Member
I was focussing on the rather brilliant last gasp win for Yorks. After a rather tepid performance against the red rose last week, we actually scored some decent first inning runs, and a wonderful bowling spell late in the day put enough pressure to force a victory with about 5 overs left to play. Plenty to play for in all 3 groups in the CC, pity its on hold for while for the T20.....
 

BrumJim

Forum Stalwart (won't take the hint and leave...)
Ollie Robinson

Agree entirely that this has gone too far. He made the comment 8 years ago, for goodness sake.

Can't help thinking that if he had styled it out and called on the great anti-PC gods of Piers, Andrew Bridgen and Katie Hopkins to stand up for his right to free speach he would already be on the team sheet for the next test, but just a whiff of an apology and some sort of remourse and HE HAS TO BE PUNISHED.

Mind you, having Alexander 'Water Melon Smiles' Boris 'Looks like a lettter box' de Pfeffel 'Islamaphobia is a natural reaction' Johnson on your side isn't really helping, is it?
 

T4tomo

Legendary Member
typical ECB, they could have had the "investigation" during the 1st test, issued a sternly worded rebuke at the end of it and carry on as you were. suspending him for the 2nd of 2 tests "to investigate" it is pants
 
<deep breath> There's a lot going on here! The one thing that jumps out at me is that he did VERY well to play a full day's international cricket (and play well) then pretty much straight away give out a decent statement to press/public, covering information released during the match. Sure, someone probably wrote it for him, but still, he handled himself very well in those circumstances. 👍

(oh, and I'm not sure a PM *or* culture/sport sec should be getting involved unless they have actual authority to make decisions.)
 

AndyRM

XOXO
Location
North Shields
Ditto.

But unfortunately, there are two other factors:
- winning the series (you can't, if you lose the 1st test of 2); and
- the world test ranking champs thingy.

So results matter, and a draw beats a loss (under the current systems).

(on the plus side, it keeps us from talking about Robinson :P )

Yeah, yeah, I know all that. And I don't care.

NZ gave us a sporting chance and we made an absolute mockery of it; shameful.

Root's lame excuse about "seeing where we were after 20 overs" (or words to that effect) was just embarrassing.
 

Beebo

Firm and Fruity
Location
Hexleybeef
Yeah, yeah, I know all that. And I don't care.

NZ gave us a sporting chance and we made an absolute mockery of it; shameful.

Root's lame excuse about "seeing where we were after 20 overs" (or words to that effect) was just embarrassing.
I feel your hurt.
But NZ only gave us the chance because they knew we probably couldn’t do it. And Root knew that too.
If we had Stokes, Butler and Bairstow in the side they wouldn’t have given us such a tempting run chase.
 
Location
Cheshire
Hope the lads move up later this week! :okay:
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AndyRM

XOXO
Location
North Shields
I feel your hurt.
But NZ only gave us the chance because they knew we probably couldn’t do it. And Root knew that too.
If we had Stokes, Butler and Bairstow in the side they wouldn’t have given us such a tempting run chase.

So what we've done then is basically show that we have no faith in the side we put out who should really have been capable of 273 off 75 overs.
 

T4tomo

Legendary Member
So what we've done then is basically show that we have no faith in the side we put out who should really have been capable of 273 off 75 overs.
1) no one chases something like that in 1st match of a 2 day series - too much to lose..

2) 275 off 75 was a significantly higher run rate that anyone had scored at during the game, including NZ 2nd innings where they had just lost 6 wickets getting to 169 off 52 overs, and they were presumably trying to score at a decent lick to set up a declaration, yet were slower than the target they left us

Luckily you're not England cricket captain so we can all rest easy ahead of the 2nd test.
 
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