Cycle to Work Sneakiness

[adscrim]

I do believe schemes vary. Hence homeworkers being allowed to participate in some while others cite a notional percentage

Yes, I was in the middle of an edit about just that. While home workers can participate in the scheme, I don't think they're allowed to make use of the tax deduction because they can't/don't make qualifying journeys on the bike.

 

[vickster]

@User may know as a C2W using homeworker IIRC

And I think @Joffey uses C2W for non commuting bikes/parts

 

[adscrim]

@User may know as a C2W using homeworker IIRC

User and I have disagreed about the distinction in the past.

 

[Heltor Chasca]

What emplyer would want a character like this in their organisation and are they looking for a favourable reference? I have had work equipment stolen to the tune of over £1k. Not to mention the increase in insurance premium, theft or fraud doesn’t sit well with me. Thieves and fraudsters only think of their own gain and not the impact on the victims and families.

You may also wish to reconsider what makes someone a ‘friend’.

 

[Profpointy]

I would just say nothing,They may or may not ask for the bike back .Would any company really want a secondhand bike?

trying to pass off an old bike in its place would be fraud I would imagine.

this ^. Keep schtum and it might just end up forgotten or in the "too hard" basket. If they ask for money, then maybe there's a negotiation to be had. Trying to pass off a scrap bike is just fraud and a whole world of dishonesty for what: a hundred quid ?

 

[srw]

this ^. Keep schtum and it might just end up forgotten or in the "too hard" basket. If they ask for money, then maybe there's a negotiation to be had. Trying to pass off a scrap bike is just fraud and a whole world of dishonesty for what: a hundred quid ?

It won't be forgotten. It will just be deducted from his final paycheck.

 

[KneesUp]

I've not worked for 'the man' for a long time, but I'm fairly certain all of my employers would have deducted the outstanding balance from the final cheque because there is little point in employing people to make sure that people are paid the correct amount, with the correct deductions made, if they aren't doing that.

I'd be amazed if the software they use for payroll doesn't automatically make the deduction when they tick fill in the 'Leaving date' box.

Keeping it is theft from the employer, and tax fraud, so theft from everyone else.

 

[Milzy]

The company I work for don’t police the scheme. People have left with a new bike. It’s a risk though.

 

[confusedcyclist]

All the same, I think the fraud that is being proposed here is in a different league to taking pens away from the workplace.

Full pen disclosure: I buy my own pens. I don't think my employer buys pens. If they do they keep them well hidden. I do sometimes inadvertently steal pens them from my colleagues though.

So for pen theft can we agree to chop off a finger or two depending on whether it's a Bic ball point or a proper nice fountain pen. And when it comes to C2W scheme bike theft, shall we go for a full fledged neck-snap hanging? That's the kind of punishment that often gets proposed to bike thieves round these parts! The punishment must fit the crime. But here the waters get murky, you could steal a diamond encrusted fountain pen, and a supermarket BSO... does the punishment still fit?

 

[MiK1138]

They could hold an appraisal for it, and give it a developmental action plan?

If my work done that my bike would get a bonus and I would get sacked

 

[Tin Pot]

Not sure what an expirement is but that article is about Americans

If most (to me that would be 80% plus) why aren't the majority of replies saying tell your "friend" to go for it?

Most would be 51% .

And CC is not a representative sample of humanity - surely we can agree on that

Didn’t mean to be abrupt this morning, I was in a bit of a rush with work and other such nonsense.

 

[Tin Pot]

What emplyer would want a character like this in their organisation and are they looking for a favourable reference? I have had work equipment stolen to the tune of over £1k. Not to mention the increase in insurance premium, theft or fraud doesn’t sit well with me. Thieves and fraudsters only think of their own gain and not the impact on the victims and families.

You may also wish to reconsider what makes someone a ‘friend’.

At the risk of further sounding like an apologist, it’s not quite like that.

There are real company assets and then there are bollocks like c2w bicycles.

Unlike real assets, c2w assets have no value to the company. They gain nothing from them. They do not appreciate. They do not sell. They sit on an asset register depreciating to virtually nothing over five years.

As a business owner am I really going to lose sleep over it? Assign resource to investigate? Bring the police in? Will be police actually investigate? Will they kick in doors in the hunt for a stolen specialised allez? Will the cos prosecute? Etc

 

[vickster]

Most would be 51% .

And CC is not a representative sample of humanity - surely we can agree on that

Didn’t mean to be abrupt this morning, I was in a bit of a rush with work and other such nonsense.

Yes most of the forum users aren’t women while we are most of humanity (actually we’re pretty much all of what is rightly humanity)

 

[Alan O]

At the risk of further sounding like an apologist, it’s not quite like that.

There are real company assets and then there are bollocks like c2w bicycles.

Unlike real assets, c2w assets have no value to the company. They gain nothing from them. They do not appreciate. They do not sell. They sit on an asset register depreciating to virtually nothing over five years.

As a business owner am I really going to lose sleep over it? Assign resource to investigate? Bring the police in? Will be police actually investigate? Will they kick in doors in the hunt for a stolen specialised allez? Will the cos prosecute? Etc

Surely it's not the bike itself that's the asset in question, it's the rest of the cash to finish paying for it? In the employer's shoes, I might well not want a used bike handing back, but I'd sure as hell want the money I'd lent to the (potentially) thieving toe-rag.

 

[Alan O]

[QUOTE 5218774, member: 45"]Yup, the bike is owned by the company.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but depending on the agreement, they might be able to demand the rest of the payment rather than the bike.