Do you cycle for or at least partly for Enviromental reasons ?

Discussion in 'General Cycling Discussions' started by BADGER.BRAD, 31 Dec 2018.

  1. Fully

    1 vote(s)
  2. Partly

    76 vote(s)
  3. Not at all

    87 vote(s)
  1. mudsticks

    mudsticks Well-Known Member

    I think most people feel this really, hence the 'decluttering' industry that has sprung up

    I guess while 'stuff' is still so relatively cheap we will keep on buying - as humans we can't seem to resist shiny new, novel things.

    Bikes are definitely exempt tho...
    When you're out riding a bike you're not shopping - much.
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  2. I was repeatedly told I'd 'need' a car where I live now, that was fifteen (egads I'm old) years ago and thankfully I ignored the advice.

    That said we have a public transport system and traffic free road network that while it isn't much by German standards is the sort of thing I used to dream of while waiting for a bus in the UK.
  3. Thatr's where the smug ecological credentials of a Bakfiets fall down: I can carry more in that then most people manage in a compact car.
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  4. mudsticks

    mudsticks Well-Known Member

    There's much to love about the UK ..
    But so frustrating when we don't seem able to work together on stuff like an integrated transport system, or environmental controls.
    Almost like we are resolutely proud of our plucky British ability to royally fekk things right up...And will defend our right so to do, til our last breath of carbon monoxide.

    The price and connectivity of trains and buses on the continent is envy inducing.

    Just keep pedalling then.. Don't stop to shop.
    Unless it's for buns - buns are always allowed :smile:

    @Andy in Germany
    Ps what is a bakfiets please... Could I get a fleet of them for delivering vegetables??
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  5. confusedcyclist

    confusedcyclist Über Member

    This is what happens when profit and greed are put before every other useful metric of human success, happiness and contentment. That not to say a little profit, or greed are bad motivators, but we are incredibly myopic about them.

    Bakfiets are cargo bikes.
  6. This is a Bakfiets:


    And you can carry all manner of things in them:



    So vegetable delivery would be well within their capabilities.

    You could even use the Bakfiets as a shop:


    Although from experience I recommend cleaning carefully first to remove any horse poo.
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  7. mjr

    mjr Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next

    Evidence is that cyclists shop more than motorists (not that many shopkeepers seem to accept that). It's probably because we're not stuck in traffic as much or wasting money fuelling and serving our vehicles.
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  8. Dogtrousers

    Dogtrousers Kilometre nibbler

    Incidentally my crappy old car just had its annual (how much!! :eek:) service & MoT.

    I'm caught in a trap of laziness/sunk cost fallacy. "Well I've just spent £££ for new brakes/gold plated zingding swivel actuator /reciprocating spiffler seal on the old heap, I'd better get some use out of it".

    I use it several times a year for regular visits to my aged mother up in t'North (public transport not an option on that journey), plus an annual jaunt to France. Apart from that, not much. Very occasional heavy shopping trips, everything else gets delivered/carried on foot (by my wife, generally :whistle:). So I'm currently looking into the alternatives like Zipcar. They don't look like they'll save me much.
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  9. Julia9054

    Julia9054 Veteran

    Are they easy to balance fully loaded? My worry would be tipping over! I have seen them as three wheelers which look a bit more stable
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  10. mudsticks

    mudsticks Well-Known Member

    Oh no - and now you have inflamed my lusting for a new thing- more consumerist desires :rolleyes:

    Beware the unintended consequence etc etc .

    Though i reckon i could definitely justify that one as a 'business cost'

    I reckon it would be great for the quads hefting one of those, fully loaded, up and down the Devon lanes.

    And as you say you don't even have to unload at market .

    Another seed of an idea sown - dang and blast this confounded internet thingy :stop:
  11. anna_adam

    anna_adam New Member

    I am in the middle of both as when I initially started cycling, I used to ride to my university. But now since I'm employed, my cycling pattern is being compromised. Would love to cycle on daily basis, as it's a good exercise for the body along with fitness and health. Have to get back on track, hopefully soon!
  12. mudsticks

    mudsticks Well-Known Member

    Yeah but we mostly buy food, and drink, and patronise tea shoppes, fuelling ourselves - and all that is exempt from moral prosecution :angel:
  13. I know what you mean, but it's dead easy, in fact rather intuitively the faster/heavier it is the more it wants to stay upright: it's like trying to tip a gyroscope.

    I only manage to tip it once, about ten years ago, just after buying it: I ran against a low kerbstone with that small front wheel and tipped it over. It has to be said, once it starts to tip it is very hard to stop.

    The one I own comes from workcycles in Amsterdam and thy are built like tanks. Mine cost €2000 ten years ago and about a tenth of that since for maintenance.
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  14. mjr

    mjr Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next


    That's doubly silly because not using the car will almost always wear the new gold plated zingding spliffer less than using it.

    They probably won't unless either cars become more efficient (because they can upgrade more quickly than private owners) or the clubs make less profit (possibly by co-ops like CoCars taking over - any profit is returned to the users) but what they are is more predictable. No sudden £400 lump sum required to supply and fit, say, a rear shock.
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  15. Dogtrousers

    Dogtrousers Kilometre nibbler

    Its a question of when do I take the plunge and get rid of the car. With each service some new incomprehensible bit needs replacing, so I say "I'll keep the car for another year now I've sunk the cost of a zingding spiffler into it". The problem arises that next year, while the zingding spiffler is still fine it's the wangle joint flanging seals that needs replacing, and they cost £300 a pop. So I shell out for these and then say "seeing as I've just bought new wangle joint flanging seals for it, I may as well keep it another year ..."
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