Do you cycle for or at least partly for Enviromental reasons ?

Discussion in 'General Cycling Discussions' started by BADGER.BRAD, 31 Dec 2018.

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  1. Fully

    1 vote(s)
    0.6%
  2. Partly

    76 vote(s)
    46.3%
  3. Not at all

    87 vote(s)
    53.0%
  1. booze and cake

    booze and cake probably out cycling

    @12boy wow I understand the need for a car somewhere like that, you have the place almost all to yourself, that does have its appeal.

    I live in Lambeth, which is one of 32 London boroughs. Lambeth and its neighbourly borough Southwark have a population of about 630,000, squeezed into about 20 square miles. You can't fart here without someone knowing about it^_^.

    I've been driving for over 25 years but have never owned a car. I just don't need one in London, and its more hassle than its worth. London is polluted enough, and I'd love better air quality, so I'm glad that one of the happy side effects of cycling is the only emissions come from me....even if its so densely populated some poor soul may end up smelling it, sorry folks:blush:. A bike is still the best way to get about here. I've been name driver on a few other peoples cars over the years, and am a member of Zipcar the car club if I have to use one.

    Having said that, where my parents live in rural Mid Wales, 200 miles away from me, realistically a car is must. Public transport is sparse or non existent, there's not even a mobile phone signal, so going car-free even on this tiny little rock is a lot easier in some places than others.

    I didn't set out or claim to be an eco-warrior, but I don't like that phrase. It seems to imply giving a toss about the planet is extremist and can only be brought on by force, which is ridiculous. Not giving a shoot about the planet should be seen as the extremist and ridiculous view, so we obviously still have a long way to go to change attitudes. Ignoring for a minute the climate change deniers and those that still think the earth is flat :banghead:, we're much more aware now than we were. It was not that long ago there was no such thing as recycling, unless you had a compost heap in your garden. Things have come a long way in the last 20 years, and I'm happy to try and make things better.

    In addition to never owning a car (I do have numerous bicycles but they're OK right:whistle:) I've not been on a plane in 10 years. I was vegetarian for 18 years. I do eat chicken and fish now, but don't eat red meat. In fact have only ever tasted it once in all my 46 years so far. So I guess I'm well on the way to being a yogurt weaver, pass the hummus and the tofu sandles. I must be doing pretty good in the eco-Top Trumps^_^
     
  2. mudsticks

    mudsticks Well-Known Member

    :rolleyes:

    Yes what is that about ?? it seems far more crazy to think that looking after home planet isn't the biggest priority - i mean where else are we - and all the other critters going to live??

    There's also this idea that not flying, and reducing your car usage as much as possible, and trying to be greener leads to untold misery, expense, and sacrifice.

    I go to some wonderfully pointy bits of Europe by train, every year, in the summer to go backpacking, and you can chuck your bike on a train and get anywhere in the uk to go riding, in less than twelve hours.

    Attitudes have changed somewhat in the last thirty plus years that I've been involved in 'ecological efforts' - for me those have been mostly but not exclusively in farming .

    There is more awareness nowadays - but still a lot more collective action is needed - top down - and bottom up

    - politicians won't shift unless the electorate make them.

    - so we have a lot of work to do on that front - and then of course politicians are lobbied hardest by them biggest baddest boy, polluting industries - who don't really want to see progress - or change - especially if it affects their profits .

    Sometimes i feel like chucking it all in - but if you can find your tribe of change makers - and have some fun whilst you're doing it too - then it makes it worth carrying on .


    p.s. @booze and cake - The incontrovertible evidence that the earth isn't flat ???

    If it was then cats would have pushed everything off the edge by now :whistle:
     
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  3. booze and cake

    booze and cake probably out cycling

    @mudsticks the cat example is genius, I'm amazed that's not proved that argument beyond all doubt:laugh:
     
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  4. mudsticks

    mudsticks Well-Known Member

    It just has..
    I mean, do you see anyone here arguing??? :rolleyes:

    Sorry something went wrong with my quoting your bit.. Might try to fix it. Will probs break it worse.. :blush:
     
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  5. booze and cake

    booze and cake probably out cycling

    I worked in tobacco control for a few years in the past, so know how much of a nest of vipers the whole lobbying thing is, and how low mega-corp will go to protect its interests. Its interests of course being profit, the deaths of millions of people they weren't as bothered with.

    Out of interest I just checked on google, and apparently there are 7.53 billion people on earth, and so far only 536 people have ever been into space. It takes a lot of fuel to get just one person into space. I'm guessing we already haven't got enough fuel for that, and our atmosphere would probably have burnt up in the early stages of the exodus [citation needed]. Not to mention the fact we still have not found anywhere we can go, or how to get there.

    So we really should start looking after the place.
     
  6. Reiver

    Reiver Ribbit Ribbit

    I'm thinking rocket fuel could be fairly eco-friendly ? (hydrogen and oxygen) and both of those could be created from a wind farm and some sea water?

    although I guess it's a whole lot more complicated that that.
     
  7. slowmotion

    slowmotion Quite dreadful

    Location:
    lost somewhere
    Sorry, I don't think about Planet Earth when attempting to turn the cranks.
     
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  8. This mornings ride featured horizontal rain, wind varying between sidewind and head wind, so trying to turn bike sideways/having to pedal downhill, graduating to hail later, there was little fun factor. Today was entirely about looking after the environment.

    I just wish it'd show a little gratitude...
     
  9. mudsticks

    mudsticks Well-Known Member

    Well maybe if you showed some gratitude back?? :angel:

    It's supplied you with gravity to keep your tyres on the road, a stable surface to ride on, oxygen to breathe, water to drink and grow the crops that supplied your muscles with energy to push the pedals.
    Not to mention a weathered subsoil, plus organic matter to grow those food crops, and medicines.. The nitrogen cycle that nourished them, and supports lots of other creatures and plants that make up a livable, biodiverse synergistic ecosystem...

    Plus PE also supplied all the materials, ores, and fossil deposits that made your bike, and all the other stuff you own and use..

    I guess the planet could be grateful for your contributions of excreta to add back fertility to the soil (after composting) but I reckon on balance you're doing pretty well out of the deal :rolleyes:
     
  10. Humpf.

    Ultimately it'll get all of me to help fertilize daisies. This morning makes me wonder if it's trying to speed that up.
     
  11. mudsticks

    mudsticks Well-Known Member

    Nah - she's just giving you a chance to strengthen your resolve, and muscles :smile:

    Is 'humpf' colloquial German for you're right "I am not worthy..." ?? :rolleyes:
     
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  12. mjr

    mjr Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next

    I agree with the conclusion - it's a lot easier in urban areas - but I think it's unhelpful to use phrases like "realistically a car is must" because it accuses anyone living in places like that without access to cars (which there are always some) of being unrealistic when clearly they're not. IMO overstating it like that leads to politicians getting away with guff like "cars are essential" and implementing motoring supremacist policies. Cars may be very desirable, but it's a bit short of a must.

    @12boy's location sounds like another kettle of fish. If reports of USA governments' attitude to mass transport and public transport are correct, plus critical services are only found in towns, access to a car in rural locations might almost be a must :sad:
     
  13. glasgowcyclist

    glasgowcyclist Charming but somewhat feckless

    Location:
    Scotland
    Reminds of the sign outside the excellent cake shop near Dalwhinnie distillery (similar to this):

    planet_b.jpg
     
  14. mudsticks

    mudsticks Well-Known Member

    Well exactly . So why do we carry on as if there is??

    We can't really claim ignorance - all these problems have been common knowledge for decades.

    I guess it's a collective case of the CBA''s... As my kids used to call it.

    Combined with all the usual profit motive pushing us towards consumption..

    I'd agree, it is very difficult to go car free in the country atm unless you are retired or have a job that doesn't involve any actual 'things'
    Public transport is woeful out here, and stupidly expensive.

    I currently run a small car..
    And a slightly larger tractor.
    Try to minimise use of them.

    Although. both run on diesel I'm afraid, but I'm sure they could have been hydrogen cell driven, years ago if the tech had been encouraged, not sat on, and fossil fuels were taxed at their actual real cost to the planet..
     
  15. 12boy

    12boy Senior Member

    Location:
    Casper WY USA
    We have too much stuff. Everybody needs to pare down what they have and to buy less in the future, starting with people other than me. The only exception is, of course, bicycles.
     
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