Does doing something "for charity" give you special rights?

[Dogtrousers]

I walked up the Pyg Track with my dad when I was a young teenager. I remember being pretty knackered.

Incidentally my dad was the ultimate anti-selfie photographer. I went through boxes of prints and rolls of negatives to find some pics to print up to try to engage my mother's mind when she started losing it. What did I find? Mountains, mountains and more mountains but no people. Occasional pictures of the dog.

 

[Ming the Merciless]

I walked up the Pyg Track with my dad when I was a young teenager. I remember being pretty knackered.

Incidentally my dad was the ultimate anti-selfie photographer. I went through boxes of prints and rolls of negatives to find some pics to print up to try to engage my mother's mind when she started losing it. What did I find? Mountains, mountains and more mountains but no people. Occasional pictures of the dog.

My early photos are like that. Never occurred to try and get a selfie. Lots of scenic photos

 

[presta]

Incidentally my dad was the ultimate anti-selfie photographer. I went through boxes of prints and rolls of negatives to find some pics to print up to try to engage my mother's mind when she started losing it. What did I find? Mountains, mountains and more mountains but no people. Occasional pictures of the dog.

When I was photogaphising, every photo had to be an attempt at the winning shot for the monthly competition at the club, or else I just wasn't interested. Selfies, holiday snaps, or anything of that kind just didn't come into it. Nowadays, I like looking at old photos of familiar places and seeing how they've changed over the years, but I don't have any of my own because they don't win competitions. Judges dismiss them for being "just a record shot", and not art.

 

[Beebo]

My early photos are like that. Never occurred to try and get a selfie. Lots of scenic photos

I went to the Rocky Mountains as a 16 year old on a school trip.
Loads of average pictures of boring mountains and not enough of me and my friends. And you only had 30 shots per film in those days. So at least 5 were just rubbish.
I don’t make that mistake anymore.
The most interesting photos for me are of people, especially in rooms which were familiar but are now distant memories.

 

[Rusty Nails]

I went to the Rocky Mountains as a 16 year old on a school trip.
Loads of average pictures of boring mountains and not enough of me and my friends. And you only had 30 shots per film in those days. So at least 5 were just rubbish.
I don’t make that mistake anymore.
The most interesting photos for me are of people, especially in rooms which were familiar but are now distant memories.

Looking backing at photographs just of scenery I took on trips in places like Yosemite, Grand Canyon and Death Valley they are OK because it's difficult to take a bad picture of some places but I enjoy much more the photographs with me and my companions in, or those with wildlife or someone we met, or even an interesting building in. The memories are much more personal than just scenery.

I am no Ansel Adams and, in reality, photographs in travel books about the National Parks and even, dare I say, on postcards are much better than I could ever take.

 

[Pat "5mph"]

The trouble is that the steps were ever made. Were they not there, many people might well deem the summit 'too hard to get to', especially those alighting from the train a few tens of metres away.

Thank you @Sea of vapours for posting that photo, finally I know what you all are talking about

Nope, it is to make it accessible to those who are not so steady on their feet, having just got off the train.

I wouldn't call those steps accessible, maybe if there was a handrail, yes.
I could go up them, but would be very cautious in going down, one could fall easily imo.

 

[steveindenmark]

Doing something for charity gives you no special rights over anyone else. It has given these guys a severe dose of entitlement. Then they go to the press claiming to be victims. Thats just Twatish entitlement.

 

[Drago]

I would agree thatnit was twottishto bleat to the media.

But as for rights...they had no more or less right to just march straight up there than the sheeple had to take it upon themselves to introduce a queueing system.

 

[Electric_Andy]

I would agree thatnit was twottishto bleat to the media.

But as for rights...they had no more or less right to just march straight up there than the sheeple had to take it upon themselves to introduce a queueing system.

Do you not think a queue is required though, even if not imposed? It would be quite the rabble if everyone flocked to the desired space at the same time

 

[Ming the Merciless]

Do you not think a queue is required though, even if not imposed? It would be quite the rabble if everyone flocked to the desired space at the same time

Not really. The only reason for a queue is the imposed desire to have a selfie with no one else in it. Remove the latter, as it used to be before pandemic sheep turned up, and the queue disappears.

 

[Drago]

A queue is a rabble, albeit one in a straight line.

And they have all flocked to the same place at the same time, then taken it upon themselves to line up once they arrived. They've no more or less right to do that than someone that simply strolls past, and no right whatsoever to impose their own self-invented convention upon anyone else.

Provided everyone involved is otherwise polite and law abiding, then tough titty. The need to get over themselves.

We do seem to have a problem in modern society with people sticking their nose into other peoples lawful business, often justified by feigned indignation.

 

[Electric_Andy]

A queue is a rabble, albeit one in a straight line.

And they have all flocked to the same place at the same time, then taken it upon themselves to line up once they arrived. They've no more or less right to do that than someone that simply strolls past, and no right whatsoever to impose their own self-invented convention upon anyone else.

Provided everyone involved is otherwise polite and law abiding, then tough titty. The need to get over themselves.

We do seem to have a problem in modern society with people sticking their nose into other peoples lawful business, often justified by feigned indignation.

I see your point actually. If I wanted a picture but wasn't fussed about having no-one else in it, in theory I could just walk to the front and snap away. But the civilised and moral part of me would think, it's bound to cause upset and possible aggression from other people so it's not worth it. Most people queue nicely so as not to upset others.

I remember at Colombo airport queuing for the security checks (and there were no ropes or barriers), then a load of locals just strolled past us to form a crush at the front. A mean looking tattooed Englishman at the back just came out and said "well *%$£ this, if no-one's queuing then why should we?", and proceeded to barge everyone out of the way and walked him and his partner straight to the security man. I still don't know if this was a win or a loss for mankind

 

[Drago]

The civilised and moral part of any reasonably adjusted adult would be to grow up and stop taking umbrage simply bercause someone chooses not to abide by that persons own arbitrary rules of behaviour.

And that's the nub of the issue - no one has the right, legally or morally, to expect a law abiding and peaceful person to behave only in a manner that just happens to suit you (not actually you Andy, you know what I mean) personally.

 

[Badger_Boom]

Imagine the consternation if someone from the OS schlepped to the summit and told them all to beat it while they set up their theodolite.

 

[T4tomo]

Imagine the consternation if someone from the OS schlepped to the summit and told them all to beat it while they set up their theodolite.

last time they did it they stayed overnight on the summit for that very reason....

https://www.ukhillwalking.com/articles/features/snowdon_surveyed_-_but_just_how_high_is_it-6734