The quote I heard from Johnson was nothing to do with doping etc but was about how he felt having had the world record he'd held for so long beaten - which was that he doesn't feel he's "lost" anything, because for him the moment when all his work and training paid off and he broke the record is what is important to him and those memories can't be taken from him - whenever the record had subsequently been broken.
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smutchin
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Has anyone ever raised any queries about the performances of the Brownlee brothers?
The thing that got me wondering about it was a comment elsewhere that their splits for the run would be competitive in a standalone Olympic 10km race (and I remember there was talk of Alistair possibly entering the 10km race in 2012). It's quite incredible that they're able to run that fast after a swim and a bike ride. Some might take that as a red flag, and yet I've never heard the slightest hint of suspicion being expressed about them. Or maybe it's all perfectly normal from a physiological perspective? I just don't know.
They do seem to be hugely popular within the sport in a way that the track cyclists aren't - the French competitor was being effusive about them in his post-race interview. Perhaps they're too nice for anyone to point the finger at them!
The thing that got me wondering about it was a comment elsewhere that their splits for the run would be competitive in a standalone Olympic 10km race (and I remember there was talk of Alistair possibly entering the 10km race in 2012). It's quite incredible that they're able to run that fast after a swim and a bike ride. Some might take that as a red flag, and yet I've never heard the slightest hint of suspicion being expressed about them. Or maybe it's all perfectly normal from a physiological perspective? I just don't know.
They do seem to be hugely popular within the sport in a way that the track cyclists aren't - the French competitor was being effusive about them in his post-race interview. Perhaps they're too nice for anyone to point the finger at them!
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We breed 'em tough in Yorkshire.
smutchin
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They are seriously tough cookies. I'm constantly amazed at their capacity to keep going with what must be seriously burning legs. I've done a couple of triathlons myself and I know it frikkin' hurts!
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Wasn't seen suspicious at the time (Michael Johnson). Johnson actually had a fair bit of bad luck and set backs in his olympic career, it's just forgotten now.
The thing I've found odd is his idolisation of Carl Lewis (over many years) contrasted with his views said many times on doping bans (over many years). Maybe he doesn't want to upset the apple cart or afraid of getting sued, I don't know. He was asked again recently for his list of greatest olympians and guess what Carl Lewis appeared in it!
It's a reasonable point that if Johnson could do it clean all those years ago, then someone else could come along and do the same.
I guess we've all become more cynical and suspicious lately
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Izzat Artykov
Strychnine, ffs.
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All the same link, https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/aug/18/kyrgyzstan-weightlifter-izzat-artykov-doping-offence
Strychnine, ffs.
Belarus
Kazakhstan
Wrestling
All the same link, https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/aug/18/kyrgyzstan-weightlifter-izzat-artykov-doping-offence
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Strychnine Come Doping?Izzat Artykov
Strychnine, ffs.
Belarus
Kazakhstan
Wrestling
All the same link, https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/aug/18/kyrgyzstan-weightlifter-izzat-artykov-doping-offence
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The 'lympics dope testing sounds a shambles
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/olympics...s-anti-doping-branded-worst-in-games-history/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/olympics...s-anti-doping-branded-worst-in-games-history/
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"Fast forward to the 1984 Los Angeles Summer Games. IAAF head honcho Nebiolo, under whom Cassell served as vice president, informed his No. 2 “about the decision he and Samaranch had made about capping the number of positive (drug) tests in L.A. at a dozen,” Cassell recounted in his memoir. “He said they had done it ‘to protect the Olympics and the USA’ so there would be no scandal.”..."
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/...kyo-games-set-cassell-life-path/#.WB9jyI1vhjo
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/...kyo-games-set-cassell-life-path/#.WB9jyI1vhjo
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Seem to be a lot of mentions of dodgy goings on, but it's very light on whether he did anything about it. Cassell - a lifetime in sports corruption?
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I watched Match of the Day 2 on Sunday evening. I don't usually pay much attention to the post-match analysis because it's always the same old tired rubbish (was it or wasn't it a penalty? who cares?), but one brief exchange in the discussion following the Man Utd vs Swansea game made me sit up and take notice. I have transcribed the interesting bit, but if you want to watch it for yourself, it's here: http://bbc.in/2edQwB3 - it starts at about 57 minutes in...
Mark Chapman: No Chris Smalling. Before the game, Mourinho said he doesn’t feel he can play 100% with his pain, and he also said that Luke Shaw told him on the morning that he couldn’t play. After the game, he said, ‘In every sport they play at the highest level, how many times do you play when you are not 100%? I have a friend who is a big tennis player, he remembers more the times he played with pain than the times he played without pain. That is what I mean. It is a cultural thing for some and that’s not my culture.’
Alan Shearer: Well, in my experience, very very rarely are you ever 100% fit when you go out onto a football pitch and play, whether you have to take anti-inflammatories to get out and play or what. But very rarely are you 100% fit.
MC: Is that a message to some to toughen up?
Danny Murphy: I’m surprised at Smalling because obviously playing with him, he was a tough lad. He must be in some trouble but that is a message from Mourinho, that doesn’t sound good. I’m with Al. I physically wouldn’t be able to get about if I didn’t…
AS: The one thing I would say is that when he was at Chelsea the first time, he had warriors – Drogba, Terry, Lampard, Makelele, Cech, all these guys that you would never ever question anything like that. And he is becoming more and more vocal, Mourinho, in actually digging his players out in public and that was very rare in his first time at Chelsea. So I think yes, the game has moved on, even from his first time, players are paid a hell of a lot more money, they don’t have to put themselves under pressure and stress to go out and play and he might have to face that fact.
It's a "cultural thing", eh? Shame that Shearer interrupted Murphy before he had a chance to say what it is that he needed to do to be physically able to get about.
Follow-up story here: http://bbc.in/2fTa539
Mark Chapman: No Chris Smalling. Before the game, Mourinho said he doesn’t feel he can play 100% with his pain, and he also said that Luke Shaw told him on the morning that he couldn’t play. After the game, he said, ‘In every sport they play at the highest level, how many times do you play when you are not 100%? I have a friend who is a big tennis player, he remembers more the times he played with pain than the times he played without pain. That is what I mean. It is a cultural thing for some and that’s not my culture.’
Alan Shearer: Well, in my experience, very very rarely are you ever 100% fit when you go out onto a football pitch and play, whether you have to take anti-inflammatories to get out and play or what. But very rarely are you 100% fit.
MC: Is that a message to some to toughen up?
Danny Murphy: I’m surprised at Smalling because obviously playing with him, he was a tough lad. He must be in some trouble but that is a message from Mourinho, that doesn’t sound good. I’m with Al. I physically wouldn’t be able to get about if I didn’t…
AS: The one thing I would say is that when he was at Chelsea the first time, he had warriors – Drogba, Terry, Lampard, Makelele, Cech, all these guys that you would never ever question anything like that. And he is becoming more and more vocal, Mourinho, in actually digging his players out in public and that was very rare in his first time at Chelsea. So I think yes, the game has moved on, even from his first time, players are paid a hell of a lot more money, they don’t have to put themselves under pressure and stress to go out and play and he might have to face that fact.
It's a "cultural thing", eh? Shame that Shearer interrupted Murphy before he had a chance to say what it is that he needed to do to be physically able to get about.
Follow-up story here: http://bbc.in/2fTa539
