the_mikey
Legendary Member
- Location
- South Gloucestershire
The switch to E10 made no discernible difference in my Suzuki Swift, mpg hasn't noticeably changed, neither has the engine performance.
E10 petrol
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slowmotion
Quite dreadful
- Location
- lost somewhere
Does anybody know if E10 works in two-stroke outboards? If so, how long before it "goes stale"?
sittingbull
Veteran
- Location
- South Liverpool
A friend of mine is saying similar with his Fiesta, may just be coincidence at this stage (for him).
Opinion with 2-stroke garden machinery seems to be to discard after 30 days, source fresh fuel and mix again.
slowmotion
Quite dreadful
- Location
- lost somewhere
O/B owners tend to give unleaded about two to three months. Is E10 worse or broadly the same? Thanks.
sittingbull
Veteran
- Location
- South Liverpool
Assuming you were using E5 previously then E10 is worse.
You could switch to super unleaded which remains E5, or in the case of Esso is ethanol free* (still shows as E5 at the pump nozzle).
Having said that you MAY still get away with 2 to 3 months. I've read it stores for longer in metal containers rather than plastic.
* subject to regional variations.
You could switch to super unleaded which remains E5, or in the case of Esso is ethanol free* (still shows as E5 at the pump nozzle).
Having said that you MAY still get away with 2 to 3 months. I've read it stores for longer in metal containers rather than plastic.
* subject to regional variations.
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Smokin Joe
Legendary Member
- Location
- Bare headed cyclist, Smoker
Being OCD I keep a regular check on mpg and since the switch to E10 my three pot 02 Polo is getting an extra 2 - 3 mpg from every fill.
- Location
- Somewhere wet & hilly in NW England.
Similar here: <1 year old VW Up Gti getting several smiles more per gallon.
fossyant
Ride It Like You Stole It!
- Location
- South Manchester
My Nissan hates the stuff.
2002 car
2002 car
the_mikey
Legendary Member
- Location
- South Gloucestershire
I often wonder about the fuel supplied, as almost all of the fuel supplied locally is sourced from a railhead depot where fuel is transported by rail and stored on site then transferred into tankers for delivery to fuel station forecourts, given the fuel comes from a single fuel refinery location, do the trains transport 12 different grades of unleaded, or just the most common ones, I'm doubting that all the different garages have their own unique grade of fuel given the nature of the supply infrastructure.
figbat
Slippery scientist
- Location
- South Oxfordshire, UK
The individual branded fuels are dosed with their unique additives during loading into the road tankers - this is what differentiates them. The base fuel is from the same source.
sittingbull
Veteran
- Location
- South Liverpool
I've wondered about this myself. How can they cater for the different octane levels, ethanol levels, performance boosters etc. etc? Then again how did they distribute 2,3 4 and even 5 star petrol? Is supermarket petrol equivalent to the major oil companies fuel? ................................
@figbat has provided a plausible explanation.
Not all of the Esso super-unleaded is ethanol free, there are regional variations and not all of the forecourts stock super-unleaded.
RoubaixCube
~Tribanese~
- Location
- London, UK
I had a google for what you are on about and this is what came up....
Grimsby's Guy Martin gets caught short on British roads while trying to make world's fastest electric car
I mean faulty and dodgy chargers a side. His main problem was that he was probably trying to put the pedal through the floor at any given opportunity and of course if youre going to be an absolute nutter behind the wheel then the only choice for you if not sticking with fossil fuels is a custom limousine with the entire floor made out of a super sized battery pack which will probably take a few days to reach a full charge.
the problem with calculating the exact range of an EV on a single charge is that there are a tonne of variables that can affect it... headwind/tail wind, traffic, throttle control, how much extra luggage/weight you are carrying or have in the car.
From what i have seen. The numbers given by the manufacturer need to be taken with a pinch of salt because your driving conditions will never match their testing conditions. If a manufacturer tells you the range is 150miles on a full charge then I would assume 100-130miles in real world conditions before the battery is absolutely done and youre out trying to push it to the side of the road.
if youre constantly driving up and down the motorway. sticking with a diesel would probably be a better idea but for most city dwellers, an electric would be absolutely fine so long as you have a place to charge it at night otherwise its a bit of an inconvenience always having to drive somewhere to a charger and sit around for 30-60mins for a decent amount of charge.
Drago
Legendary Member
- Location
- Suburban Poshshire
keithmac
Guru
I assume that E10 petrol will of course be cheaper to buy, because of it's lower oil content?
And then I woke up.....
Hit the nail on the head there!. Ethanol is a by-product if other production processes and basically a filler.
Any modern car governed by it's target AFR tables will inject more fuel to maintain the desired AFR, less MPG for your £.
People seem oblivious to this it seems, you are basically getting less fuel for the same money..
mjr
Comfy armchair to one person & a plank to the next
- Location
- mostly Norfolk, sometimes Somerset
Classic car fans blaming change and new things for problems which have always happened isn't exactly a surprise!
Ethanol doesn't grab water from the air. see https://www.theautochannel.com/news/2016/03/18/209988-ethanol-does-not-suck-water-out-air.html
Most classic car internal moisture problems will be condensation.
